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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 19, 2008 - 10:58am PT
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JLP,
"My words of wisom, since this thread seems to be full of them: Find someone who will put up with your sh#t. That's the One. When you find that person, return the favor by learning to put up with their sh#t. You have now found true love. "
Not very poetic, but in my experience very true.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 19, 2008 - 11:53am PT
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Plenty of good, long-term climbing relationships. Two of my oldest friends, Scott and Rob, have been together forever and remain regular climbing partners. Lots of famous ones, too: Conns, Mendenhalls, Underhills, Pilley-Richards, and on and on.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Aug 19, 2008 - 01:14pm PT
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Try to find someone close to your own size.
Everywhwere I go I see this:
If they can't carry or drag you after you pass out, then I don't wanna know.
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Aug 19, 2008 - 01:17pm PT
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LOL! The other day at the crag I saw an 180 lbs man being belayed by an eight year old boy not anchored down. I asked if he cllimbed often and he says...
"Not since the boys were born. I've been waiting for them to get big enough to belay."
No shit!
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KlimbIn
climber
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Aug 19, 2008 - 02:08pm PT
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Damn Dingus, you spend $200 bucks on your dates?
want to go out?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 19, 2008 - 03:52pm PT
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Damn, Locker, you don't need a whole ounce to show a gal a good time, an eighth will do the trick. Ya know?
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 19, 2008 - 03:57pm PT
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"my AVERAGE is around $300.00..."
Now we know you're lying, locker! There's not a place within 50 miles of JTree to spend $300 on dinner for two. hahaha
Unless, of course, the main course is at the local meth house maybe! But isn't meth the poor man's drug too? How much meth can one get for $300?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Nutsonthechin, Wisconsin
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Aug 19, 2008 - 04:04pm PT
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A $300.00 date in JTree don't go too far......
6 cans of Steel Reserve..... $10.00
4 Gallons of gas to get to Keys View and Back...... $16.00
Bucket of Chicken........ $9.00
1 bottle of Asti Spumonte....... $5.75
1 gal of Lacquer Thinner and some huffing rags....... $13.00
9 Hookers from Circle K for the night....... $246.25
Grand total: $300.00 and change for a night to remember.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 19, 2008 - 04:32pm PT
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Russ wrote:
9 Hookers from Circle K for the night....... $246.25
How much extra for the ones with teeth?
(I know, picky, picky)
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Aug 19, 2008 - 06:07pm PT
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Sheesh, if Locker ever had that kind of coin, he would be down at the shop loading up on the Chronic.
Umm........say there.....about this Circle K.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 19, 2008 - 06:58pm PT
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HAHAHA This thread is classic!
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Aug 19, 2008 - 11:45pm PT
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Don't you mean how much extra for the ones that do KNOTT have teeth?!?
Tommy and Beth seem to climb pretty hard and make it work...
TC (Tahoe Climber KNOTT Tommy Caldwell)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Aug 20, 2008 - 12:59am PT
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HAH, ask the muppet about my top secret anti-jihad true blue all american PIZZA!
None can resist it's lure.
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Aug 20, 2008 - 01:45am PT
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Climbing relationships are no different than main stream relationships...
Everything starts good but after a while there always is a speed bump. Some get through it and some don't.
Nothing unusual about that...
AF
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Aug 20, 2008 - 08:57am PT
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How much extra for the ones with teeth?
What good are teeth on hookers?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Aug 20, 2008 - 12:33pm PT
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I'm not sure the Conns qualify as intense climbers. Caldwell and Rodden do, though only time will tell if their relationship lasts beyond puberty. Fact is, most relationships fail whether you climb or not. Toss in a couple of the nutcases you have to be to lead 5.10 300 days a year, and there is very little hope. It's just a fact with far more examples than posts here. If you have been climbing for a couple decades and have been in a few intimate (probably wan't that intimate) relationships with the kind of person who can grab a rack and lead a scary pitch, you know exactly what I mean. I was in various climbing relationships for ~15 years before I came to my senses and found someone sane - ie, a non-climber. At that point, I was climbing a lot less. I eventually taught her to climb and we do it a lot, however my hardest climbing is still with other nutcases. I'm able to shed a lot of the intensity while coiling the rope - it doesn't come home with me.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 20, 2008 - 01:15pm PT
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JLP I think you've told us far more about your particular psyche than about some universal human condition. I don't see "scary 5.10" as more psychologically demanding than the 5.7s in Keds and hemp that the Conns spent their days on.
If you are speaking strictly about, say, purely elite levels of climbing, then it's no different from purely elite levels of anything else. It takes a virtually sociopathic personality to rise to that level in any discipline. It's close to impossible to achieve genius levels w/o being ocd and narcississtic, except in disciplines that are relatively uncompetitive. I can name more elite climbing couples than I can elite physicist couples.
The thing that strikes me as unusual is not how few serious or dedicated climbers were/are in long-term climbing/romantic relationships, but how many were. Given the difficulties of anyone pursuing the discipline (since it doesn't pay for itself); and given the special difficulties faced by women simply to participate; and the resulting gender imbalance; it's really surprising how many significant climbing couples you find in the history of the sport. (Many of them have been British or European, which means they're less well remembered or even known here.)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Aug 20, 2008 - 01:20pm PT
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jlp wrote:
"I'm not sure the Conns qualify as intense climbers"
Go climb with they did, with the gear they had.
Then report back.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Aug 20, 2008 - 01:35pm PT
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It's great that you figured out what works and doesn't work for you, JLP. But to deny the existence of what works and is in fact fairly common for others, based on your experience is a little nutty.
the conns weren't intense climbers? What criteria did you use to pull that one out? What about hundreds of new routes over forty odd years, isn't that the epitome of intense climbing? You mean because they didn't climb as well as people do today?
I guess Whymper, Buhl, Rebuffat, Robins, petzoldt Charlie porter etc, weren't really climbers either?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Aug 20, 2008 - 01:42pm PT
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"It takes a virtually sociopathic personality to rise to that level in any discipline."
Okay - so where is that line where your activites begin to interfere with your relationships?
Climbing puts mortal injury in your face. It requires a unique type to operate there - ie, not the type that gets married in their 20's and stays married until death.
"it's really surprising how many significant climbing couples you find in the history of the sport"
Yeah - who broke up a long time ago. We all seem to just love the vicarity of reading stories and seeing photos of romance combined with steep rock, but the reality behind it is that it is extremely rare these relationships are stable and last very long. I could make a long list of breakups, but a lot of those people may read posts here. Pick up any Climbing or R&I from 7-10 years ago and ask the question. I just did and I find it almost hilarious how much attention is paid to the pretty climbing couples and how many dirty, single, self absorbed freakshow hard ass climbers I meet (including a bit of myself some time ago) who sit there reading that stuff wondering when it will all come together for them.
"But to deny the existence of what works and is in fact fairly common for others, based on your experience is a little nutty."
I've been hanging around all the wrong places, then, Jaybro. I would definely not call a hard climbing couple who have been together for 7+ years common. Not common at all.
"..Robbins.."
You're citing example of hard climbers who are married. No big deal. Did Robbins count his wife as partner for some of his hardest routes? Did she bust out some difficult lines herself? Did thier realationship ever involve them pushing each other as climbers? No. Not only that, Robbins has spoken publicly about the difficulties in his marraige, so I leave it at that.
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