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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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>That's exactly why we are walking the dogs on leashes right now.
Susan, a friend of mine took his dogs to "Rattlesnake Avoidance Training", after a $1500 vet bill when one of them got bitten by a rattler. $70 for each dog to be trained with a shock collar and now they don't go anywhere snakes. He says this guy is highly recommended:
http://www.patrickcallaghan.com
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Even at $4/gal I think a gerry can and a flare would make a dandy snake-b-que.
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Richard
climber
Bend, OR.
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Hey Dan
I hope to God that's not from Landers. I have a chunk of land there that we're gonna build a snowbird vacation house on. I'd be scared s%#tless that the den would be anywhere close
-r-
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couchmaster
climber
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I don't see the picture? WTF happened?
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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interesting...
good way to keep folks away from the crag...some good text to accompany it helps too...
That's right. The snake migration has virtually shut down sinks canyon again. Only a crazy-ass fool would go there during this snake hey-day. Hundreds of them swarming in groups of two to nine, super-aggro, venomous and deadly. Probably won't be safe to climb at Sinks again until late August. Maybe later.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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When ever I am in the desert and run into a rattle snake, I alway talk to it.
Nice Schnake, aren't you a pretty schnake, you stay right there and I will pass over here. Nice schnake......and so on. They like this very much and it makes them feel handsome and or pretty and they will not bother you.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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If those were taken around Landers, some were Mojaves mixed in with hybrids and others. If you come across Mojaves, kill them. They're too damn dangerous to play PETA BS with.
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FeelioBabar
climber
Sneaking up behind you...
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Found a snakeball about 5 times the size of that one once on a wildfire. Had to be hundreds of rattlers in this den. Being it was so close to an area that would be worked for days...we opted to exterminate for the safety of the crews.
At least a gallon of chainsaw gas went on the ball and den. WOOOF! :-)
Still creeps me out thinking abou that pile of vipers.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Statistics show on average only ONE person a year dies of snake bites in the USA, 50 from fire ants. Quit being a bunch of pu@@ies. Nice schnake!
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apogee
climber
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Sounds like it was more likely in Lander, WY than Landers, CA, since that species of snake doesn't exist in California.
Mtnmun- where did you hear that statistic about snakebite fatality?
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Yeah. Well, if you're way out in the Wonderland in JT and you get hit by a Mojave, you'll likely be in that tiny statistic. And if you do manage to survive, you're likely to have serious problems for the rest of your life. With other species, someone can haul ass out and get a chopper to you in time to save your life. One more thing about Mojaves, they are very aggressive as compared with other species of rattlers. Locker and I ran across one a couple of years ago and were astounded at how aggressive and territorial it was. We moved at least a hundred feet away, and it still complained. Hell, I kept looking over my shoulder to make sure it didn't come after us. I'd of whacked it, but it was well under a lower overhang and out of range for an assault.
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TYeary
Mountain climber
Calif.
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If the photo was taken in or near Landers, then the snakes can only be Mojave's or Southwestern Speckled's. Hard to tell without a close look at the head scales. They do look a bit like Mojave's. However, I would agree with apogee's Herp friend, they are Great Basin rattlers at a den site. The great Basin is a sub species of the Western Rattlesnake, as is our own Southern Pacific, C.V.Helleri.
Tony
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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I'm a little off, I had seen that statistic a few years ago. Here you go, 14 a year.
Snake Bite Statistics
About 7,000 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the U.S. annually.
Only 0.2% (1 out of 500) venomous snake bites result in death
On average, 1 to 2 people in Texas die each year from venomous snake bites in Texas.
Roughly half of all venomous snake bites are "dry." That is, the snake does not inject venom into the victim.
Statistics from National Ag Safety Database
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Well, at least they're not wolves or grizzlies or cougars or imported from Canada or anything. I'm sure RokJox would have let us know.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Is that a bunny getting eaten?
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apogee
climber
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More snakebite stats:
American Association of Poison Control Center
Nationally reported bites- 2003
Type of snake, number of bites, number fatalities
Rattlesnake: 1245, 1 (.1%)
Copperhead: 997, 0
Cottonmouth: 175, 0
Exotic Venomous: 126, 1 (.8%)
Coral: 97, 0
Nearly half of all bites occur on the dominant hand/forearm of 16-24 y/o males. Alcohol is involved in a majority of those incidents. A toxicologist in San Diego County has noticed a common trend of the presence of a tattoo on the affected arm. Another well-known toxicologist, Frank Walter MD, believes 'dry bites' are far less common than previously thought- only 1-2 patients in all of his experience.
In the same year (2003), according to NOAA, there were 43 lightning fatalities.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Toss 'em on the barby mate!!
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