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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho
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May 25, 2008 - 10:42pm PT
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That's the 'expendable' organ, Dude. Though I agree that more regulation just attracts those who would be regulators.....
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spleen
Big Wall climber
high, onawall
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2008 - 10:43pm PT
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bwancy........ man that was easy... So am I.
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spleen
Big Wall climber
high, onawall
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2008 - 10:44pm PT
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Weird
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spleen
Big Wall climber
high, onawall
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2008 - 10:47pm PT
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khanom..........Your still missing the point....Do you think permits for wall climbing is appropriate.... thats all you have to say.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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May 25, 2008 - 10:51pm PT
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I'm opposed to both permits and vague "rangers broke into my truck" stories.
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Texplorer
Trad climber
Reno
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May 25, 2008 - 11:28pm PT
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Anytime you want to enact new rules you should have to prove that the new rules will solve some problem. I think the burden lies with you spleen to prove that a permit system will keep the rangers out of your car.
The rangers can and do go into cars for reasons mentioned above in this thread. I don't see how them knowing your going to bail from the nose in 3 days will keep them out of your car for those same reasons permit or not.
So . . to answer your question. No permits!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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May 25, 2008 - 11:32pm PT
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Amen... anyone else here had your car busted into by da man in front of El Cap or elsewhere? Seems like there's way more to this story that this dude isn't spilling. Gotta ask, why not?
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Texplorer
Trad climber
Reno
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May 25, 2008 - 11:52pm PT
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Excellent detective work Juan.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho
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May 26, 2008 - 07:06pm PT
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It's tradition. The tool also carries a grudge, only his is forever...No permits, no rules, no tools. It'll be Chaos out there!(cool)
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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May 26, 2008 - 08:41pm PT
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JCAM ...thats Jesus Christ All Mighty... are you daft man? Daft? NO PERMITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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May 26, 2008 - 08:45pm PT
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Hey hey guys. This one time Rangers violated my civil rights.
It was awesome.
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Aaron Johnson
climber
Bear Valley, CA
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May 26, 2008 - 11:24pm PT
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please no permits
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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May 26, 2008 - 11:41pm PT
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NO.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho
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May 26, 2008 - 11:43pm PT
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Permits or knot, I will climb what & where I please. Might have to put the Glock back into the haulbag.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho
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May 26, 2008 - 11:54pm PT
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It could alter the rescue style forever when they hire a sniper...
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho
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May 27, 2008 - 12:48am PT
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Indeed. Maybe that's why speed ascents are so popular, it's a faster moving target.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
Vacaville Ca,
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May 27, 2008 - 02:26am PT
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Permits lead to fees, fines and further regulation.
I'm supprised that's not obvious to you.
Here's a thought, why don't "YOU" just go through the pain in the ass of telling the rangers your every move and leave the rest of us minions out of your little communication crusaide.
If you want permits, move somewhere like China you pink bastard.
I (as well as the vast majority of climbers) relish in the right to climb whatever and where ever I/they please.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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May 27, 2008 - 11:15am PT
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NO, NON! NEVER!
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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May 27, 2008 - 11:39am PT
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I think technically you could get a wilderness permit for El Cap, or any climb with a bivy. It's just not enforced.
So if you want them to track you and know when you are supposed to be down you probably could get a wilderness permit if you really wanted.
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