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Flash
Ice climber
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Sep 21, 2004 - 08:53pm PT
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Just save us all the anxiety...who is it?
Hmmm..."stuck in the middle"...hmmm...
"Bill MacBride, Urmas Franosch, Bruce Sato?
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climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 21, 2004 - 09:01pm PT
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Hey dave, might not be worth your time, looks blown out....
Surfline Oceanside Cam
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Behind a shrub
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Sep 22, 2004 - 10:55am PT
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So, not that I really care that much, but who is Urmas Franosch?
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Sep 22, 2004 - 02:41pm PT
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Neversurfaced, guess you haven't been around the Eastside or the Valley much over the years have you? No offense but he's been a local for over 25 years on the Eastside
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Behind a shrub
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Sep 22, 2004 - 03:48pm PT
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"Neversurfaced, guess you haven't been around the Eastside or the Valley much over the years have you? No offense but he's been a local for over 25 years on the Eastside"
Guilty as charged, I may be a loser, but unlike most here, at least I admit it. Actually, truth be told, I hardly know the names of my relatives. The only circles I’m in are crop circles.
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Flash
Ice climber
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Sep 22, 2004 - 04:24pm PT
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"The only circles I’m in are crop circles."
LOL! Best line I have heard in years. Ditto on that. I may know a little bit about "Who's who" but I am definitely not in any circles. With my political beliefs?...right!:)
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Flash
Ice climber
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Sep 22, 2004 - 04:48pm PT
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"He is a competitor for the few remaining FA opportunities left in the Sierra"
Few? there are thousands of FA opportunities. Just get away from peaks with names and go for peaks like Peak 12,156', 1 mi. NE of Mt. Goddard, etc.
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Mungeclimber
Social climber
N. California
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Sep 22, 2004 - 04:58pm PT
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Flash, I already did that one.
;)
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Behind a shrub
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Sep 22, 2004 - 05:03pm PT
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Hey Mungeclimber, your smiley face has a lazy eye. What gives?
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10b4me
Trad climber
Where Fair Oaks meets Altadena
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Sep 22, 2004 - 05:17pm PT
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Few? there are thousands of FA opportunities. Just get away from peaks with names and go for peaks like Peak 12,156', 1 mi. NE of Mt. Goddard, etc.
which side?
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Flash
Ice climber
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Sep 22, 2004 - 05:34pm PT
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That was a made-up example of a peak. There are tons out there without the glory of popular mountains but lots of challenges and fun.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Sep 23, 2004 - 10:26am PT
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Interesting discussion...
You ask in that post on ccc (paraphrased) if you saw someone motorized drilling in a wilderness area would you notify the FS.
I thought it was pretty intriguing where someone responded by asking if you were sitting around at camp, would you notify the authorities if someone lit up a joint. Great comparison in a lot of ways. Both are illegal, both tend to give climbers a black eye/bad reputation/stereotypical presentation to the authorities.
I suspect that most climbers would let the pot thing slide (at least to the point where they wouldn't feel a need to actively pursue a course of action)... says a lot about the perception of the offenses. Lets hear some commentary on what people think about the comparison. I'm curious.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 23, 2004 - 10:59am PT
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42% of over 100 people have voted in the poll that they would turn in a climber power bolting in the Wilderness (don't foget, El Cap is techinacly Wilderness also).
In my opinion, that gentelman who through out "would you turn in someone camping in C4 illegaly, or smoking a joint" etc....is trying to change the subject and steer the discourse away from the topic at hand.
My reply was...if you break one law, does that mean you are not allowed to support another?
I don't think smoking pot should be illegal, I do support the ban on power drills in Wilderness %100. I can't make much of a comparison between the two. One is what someone choses to do to themselves, another is what someone chooses to do to the environment...our and our childrens National treasure.
Some people may argue that eh, bolts arn't that bad what's the big deal. The big deal is the precident it sets. Why should climbers be exempt from the no motorized power in the Wilderness? If climbers are exempt from it, why shouldn't Mt Bikers be, or Snowmobilers?
I'm not anti-bolt. I'm anti-power in the Wilderness...any power. and I'm anti- climbers who disrespect that law. And yeah, if I knew it was happening, It'd probly try to stop the guy myself frst and if that didn't work, I'd turn him in.
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Flash
Ice climber
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Sep 23, 2004 - 12:19pm PT
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Hmmmm...just pick and choose the laws we obey?
What is your basis for that?
Don't get me wrong, there are laws I don't obey also, but you better have a Constitutional basis for it that will hold up in court with a good a attorney.
BTW, I wonder if the illegal silencer for my machine gun will quiet down the drill I use in the wilderness while I smoke my joint after sneaking in without getting a quota permit?
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 23, 2004 - 12:26pm PT
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I didn't say I smolke pot. I just said it shouldn't be illegal. My employer does not allow me to do drugs. :(
Once again evading the topic. Apparently most people here don't really give a sh!t whether people Power Drill in Designated Wilderness or not.
hmmm...perhaps this is why it happens so often?
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Flash
Ice climber
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Sep 23, 2004 - 12:30pm PT
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I didn't say that you did, you just said that you thought it should be legal.
I am totally against power drills in the wilderness...I hate noise in the backcountry. (Except for gunshots):)
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 23, 2004 - 12:42pm PT
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fair enough
I agree that it may not be the best way to deal with the situation...it's highly circumstancial.
Lets say for instance...that somebody like Eric Sloan decided he was going to continue to retro-bolt routes on El Cap with a power drill...I'd be tempted to let Link know about it...if he doesn't allready.
But that's just me.
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Flash
Ice climber
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Sep 23, 2004 - 12:50pm PT
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"If you lack the sack to deal with it personally, and you narc em out to the Feds? You are a piece of sh#t."
This bit of wisdom can be applied in many situations.
Even in minor situations...if your neighbors car is blocking your driveway, go tell him to move it or you will bust the windows out and move it yourself...don't call the cops on your neighbor.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 23, 2004 - 12:54pm PT
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Also...
If you are drilling in the Wilderness with a Bulldog then you are most definately a piece of sh#t.
So pick the lesser of two evils I guess.
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