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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Apr 29, 2007 - 08:45pm PT
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Guys, guys, guys. This is an obvious attempt to try and explain away 9-11 truth, and an attempt at debunking. You are mixing apples and oranges. You just can't do that. The two are entirely different scenerios.
The article(s) explain that it was an explosion and fireball. From explosions there is tremondious amount of force exerted upon the overpass structure. Remember, the towers didn't immediatley fall when jets plowed into the WTC towers. Yet with this incident, the overpass immediately does or soon collapses. The overpass didn't collapse from fire alone. It suffered a major explosion.
By the way, the overpass looks pretty much intact, and fell and drapped over other structures right in place. The WTC towers were pulverized.
I don't know about you, but I don't see a pulverized overpass. Do you?
9-11 was an inside job. The motive, opportunity, means, and all the physical evidence says so and there is nothing you can say or do to change the facts.
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Apr 29, 2007 - 08:50pm PT
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I hear you, Klimmer.
I'll help scout for loose change with you, Crowley. Let's put it in the beer fund then go empty it.
-A
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Apr 29, 2007 - 08:56pm PT
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hahahaha! poor mad fools...... those overpasses were dry runs on taking down another building. All you conspiracy nuts even have the plane bombers wondering if they actually did it or was it George W?
AC edit: what a maroon.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 29, 2007 - 09:23pm PT
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This is so obviously just a test of a similar substance the CIA planted in the WTC to cause them to collapse.
Duh.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Apr 29, 2007 - 09:25pm PT
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There can be no conspiracy when there is truth--unfortunately we never get the truth.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Apr 29, 2007 - 09:27pm PT
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"you can't handle the truth..."
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Apr 29, 2007 - 09:33pm PT
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Maybe not, but at least let me take it out for a test-drive.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Apr 29, 2007 - 11:24pm PT
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It is simple. Steel (and iron) loses about 80 percent of its strength above 600-750 degrees F. In skyscraper and iron-structured buildings, we fireproof the metal, bigtime, because of this fact. Kind of like flocking a Christmas tree. The melting point of steel is around 2500 F, but it only takes 600-750 to ruin everything since it becomes so desparately weak.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Apr 29, 2007 - 11:54pm PT
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The melting point is irrelevant friends. The fact that structural metal loses so much of its strength at such a low temperature. This is nothing new, we have known this forever, and that is why we have tried to fireproof structural steel in buildings (only) for more than 30 -40 years. Don't think MELT, think SOFTEN
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:03am PT
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AC, you are such an idiot. What is it about heat-weakened steel that gives you so much trouble?
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:10am PT
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I did not post the Popular Mechanics article but I would happily post today's copy of Unpopular Clown.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:12am PT
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OK fire is starting to burn in this thread.
People will soon get twisted?
But I bet none will pulverize ......
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:15am PT
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Werner, in tragedy, the clown always loses in the end.
AC, we've discussed this before and you insist on being a pompous and uneducated skeptic.
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:15am PT
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Charlie Sheen and the Loose Change boyzzz.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:24am PT
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Jody, some of us had the miserable experience of trying to explain to AC about how the towers weren't intentionally destroyed by our government. He has made up his mind and won't bother to properly inform himself with respect to bothersome details.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:29am PT
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Jody, I'm afraid this is what AC sees. The guy in yellow is one of his reputable scientists.
"The fact that so many structural engineers and certification people are on record saying NO WAY, Mimi." AC
That's because the people you're listening to are also fueling the conspiracy nonsense and like the sound of it.
Your moronity costs you a clown credit. Say hello to yourself Absolutely Clownish.
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:31am PT
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Let's see now.
First one in Boston, main artery, major problem.
Next day, one in Texas (or wherever it was).
Next day, Oakland Bay Bridge interchange. Major problem.
Pattern? Tomorrow will tell . . .
edit: whoa Mimi, that thing is UGLY. where did he come from?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:32am PT
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Well everyone says they, (you know, those guys), went to the moon too.
But me, being the lone wolf, I say, NO WAY, they went.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:35am PT
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Good question, Wild Bill. Some would say outer space. Some would say inner.
Werner, we did go to the moon. I found a couple of the golf balls they hit while they were up there.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:56am PT
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All the physical evidence conspiracy stuff is a distraction, sometimes even disinformation, that keeps folks from looking at the real 9-11 unanswered questions, which involve the money trail, 9-11 wargames and standdown orders, and interactions between our government and the players.
Jesus Christ, even the names of the highjackers are not accurately known to the public. Some turned up alive in other countries and even CIA director George Tenent admitted they might have forged identities, but still the government reports don't tell us who they were. Administration insider Leon Minetta testified himself being an eyewitness that Cheney had the fighters stand down from intercepting the pentagon flight.
Why not answer the real questions and quit worrying about demolition? Why did the Pakistani secret service wire $100,000 to Atta and then meet with high Bush administration officials right on 9-11?
I don't know what happened, just that the official story is a lie. Even the 9-11 commission leaders admit that they manipulated the story for political reasons.
Peace
Karl
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