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Chaz
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So. Cal.
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Can't be much of a problem if the #1 cheerleader can't trouble himself to do the simplest thing to help out, such as using less energy at home and avoiding air travel.
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Mimi
climber
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They will have trouble spinning this one without telling the truth.
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ADK
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truckee
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Chaz: So thats where you base your anti-change argument...on his actions? spindoctors....lol
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Mimi
climber
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The light is still there. But will he and Hillary make a pact and team up for the nomination? Neither one can win alone at this point.
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ADK
climber
truckee
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I dont disagree that Al Gore is far from a good example of what it takes to reduce ones impact on natural resource depletion. My problem is when people resist change, they immediately pry for petty weaknesses tangent to the real issue at hand.
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Mimi
climber
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We should all do energy budget assessments on our own dwellings and see where we rank. I'm sure all of us not living in 20-room mansions can do much better.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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"Chaz: So thats where you base your anti-change argument...on his actions?"
You find out the truth when you watch what people do, instead of listening to what they say.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Russ, did you see Hannity hammering Ed Bagley Jr.?
Hilarious!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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AC: Fish? My name is right there on the left of your screen.... my REAL NAME too.... I don't see any "fish" anywhere on here. Work on it.
Locker edit: Hannity owns libs! Poor lefties think they can spar, but just end up losing more elections.
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ADK
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truckee
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LEB,
Al Gore does not equal climate change. If you fault the message because of Al Gores integrity, then you are being lazy about your education.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I'd like to hear both sides of the story but, like a fool, it doesn't seem like Al has made his case yet.
I know my Dad had a gas bill of almost $500 last month. Electricity is extra. That's for a household of 2 living like old people. Gotta figure that high profile people have a lot of folks around and more space.
Of course the White House electricity bill would be astronomically higher. That's not comparing appples to apples but comparing Gore's bill to ours is similarly flawed.
peace
Karl
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Yeah, his(Al, not Karl's dad) high utilities negates what he said.
Let's us off the hook.
A round of Hummers please.
What, me worry?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Should everyone conserve energy?....Yes.
Because of Global Warming?.........The jury is still out.
Because the earth has limited resources?...seems pretty well established fact.
Because it reduces MY electric bill?....definitely.
"Of course the White House electricity bill would be astronomically higher"
Yeah, just think what it would be if Al was in there...probably double.
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Darnell
Big Wall climber
Chicago
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pretty sure his electric bill is NOT 30k
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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$30,000 was Al's combined gas and electical,
but that is for only one of his four estates.
"Cheney's, Murdoch's, Bolton's and Frist's?"
Oh, are those guys preaching about Global Warming too?
Russ Edit:
Real Numbers:
Nashville Electric Service/Gore House
2006
High 22619 kWh Aug – Sept
Low 12541 kWh Jan - Feb
Average: 18,414 kWh per month
2005
High 20532 Sept - October
Low 12955 Feb - March
Average: 16,200 kWh per month
Bill amounts
2006 – $895.60 (low) $1738.52 (high) $1359 (average)
2005 – $853.91 (low) $1461 (high)
Nashville Gas Company
Main House
2006 – $990(high) $170 (low) $536 (average)
2005 – $1080 (high) $200 (low) $640 (average)
Guest House/Pool House
2006 – $820 (high) $70 (low) $544 (average)
2005 – $1025 (high) $25 (low) $525 (average)
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Darnell
Big Wall climber
Chicago
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the Tennessee Center for Policy Research
The group said that Gore used nearly 221,000 kilowatt hours last year and that his average monthly electric bill was $1,359. Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.
But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information.
That was from the Chicago tribune
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unnamable
climber
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Chaz's analogy is good until the point when he runs out of money to pay folks to pick up trash. Then he forfeits his privelege of dumping elsewhere.
If you or your business has endless funds to compensate for dumping then dump away. But those with limited capital might find a cheaper alternative to buying the right to dump.
If a utility company has to pay higher and higher prices to continue emitting carbon, they might instead install scrubbers or invest in new technology that will save money and emissions in the long run.
Attacking Gore for not taking every conceivable measure for reducing his carbon footprint is unreasonable. If you're in favor or an advocate of bike lanes is it a moral imperative that you drive your bike on the 405 freeway on your daily commute?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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" All Dems should live in shacks, in order to be congruennt with the Repub perspective"
Maybe just one or two mansions.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
But when Thomas Jefferson penned those words he was a slave holder! Does this mean we tear up the Declaration of Independence?
Should we just write Thomas Jefferson off as a hypocrite? Or should we applaud him for rising above his time and taking a position contrary to his own self-interest?
Almost all of us are hypocrites in the since that very few of us come close to meeting the ideals we espouse. But that does not make the ideals anymore noble.
I liked the Upton Sinclair quote used in the film promos: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." It's also difficult to get people to understand something when their style of living depends on it.
It's easy for some college student living in a dorm and driving a Dad-provided Honda Civic to advocate conservation. But it really gives me hope when someone driving a hummer or living in a huge mansion "gets it."
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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First of all, are ya'll so sure this bill is just for Al's house that just he and his immediate family live in, or is it also a home office where there is a staff that attends to the various works that Al is working on? A fair sized space in a hot climate where there are people continually burns up a lot more that just mom and pop living in a regular house.
Second, Lois, There is a big difference between these credits and indulgences. Indulgences were just empty promises by the church, The credits are real money that go into real projects that actual impact the environment and reverse some of the damage done inevitiably by our lifestyles. Pay up yourself before calling Al a Hypocrite.
This seems like a smear job. Do you really think Al leaves the Air conditioning on with the windows open when nobody's home. Dig a little deeper and lets see why the bill is high.
Peace
Karl
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