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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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May 16, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
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It was Rene's cousin Ronnie Descartes who said " I stink, therefore I am".
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2018 - 07:24pm PT
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The soul has nothing to do with philosophy, religion or science.
The living entity is eternally the individual soul a part parcel of the Supreme soul.
The gross materialists and their defective western materialistic brainwashed knowledge are always in poor fund of knowledge ......
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2018 - 08:09pm PT
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^^^ I would say that "mind" is self-consciousness and the contents of consciousness. "Soul," a la Kant, is something underneath all that.
The word "soul," though is so ambiguous or vague that it's a problem. What most people mean by "soul" is akin to "mind."
For Kant, the "mind" does not survive the death of the body, because it is the body that provides the empirical data that the "I think" synthesizes into "mind." Without the flow of empirical data, the "I think" has nothing to work with and goes "dormant."
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2018 - 08:11pm PT
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The soul has nothing to do with philosophy, religion or science.
Then you must be saying, as do all of the Eastern thinkers I've read, that what "it" is is ineffable. So, it's impossible to talk about it or express what "it" is.
The living entity is eternally the individual soul a part parcel of the Supreme soul.
Wait, but now you're going on to make positive claims about it. Now you're squarely in the realm of at least philosophy, if not the other two fields you mentioned.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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May 16, 2018 - 08:24pm PT
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the soul is how god sees you.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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May 16, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
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What you perceive of as a soul is a vague awareness of the multitudes of bacterium that cooperatively animate your body. The voices you sense are but the mutterings of trillions of those microorganisms.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 16, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
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madbolter1: The word "soul," though is so ambiguous or vague that it's a problem. . . . what "it" is is ineffable. So, it's impossible to talk about it or express what "it" is.
A conundrum.
We’re liable to end up on this road whatever the entity we’re trying to talk about. Pick out any thing, and we’re going to have arguments or differences of opinions. Definitions appear to be dead-ends. it might be better to avoid them in our conversations.
Werner makes strong distinctions. I’m not sure he’s wrong, but I’m hardly sure he’s right.
Is there a way we could talk about feelings instead? :-D
Be well.
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2018 - 08:58pm PT
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Since you're all academics you'll never find yourselves .....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 16, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
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Haven’t seen one yet.
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
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Then you would NOT exist at all ......
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2018 - 09:38pm PT
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Is there a way we could talk about feelings instead? :-D
Well played, sir. You made me snort root beer.
It hurts.
There, some feelings for you.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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May 16, 2018 - 09:43pm PT
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Ives was Channeling Me Again
(3 pounds of meat, and 80% water)
I was out there
Working the south line
On tower sixty four
In the upper canyon
When the rains came
And the lightning
And I asked myself
Is this a wise thing?
Hanging it all out there
The smell of burnt hair
And the ozone
Still it wasn’t clear
When my heart had stopped
Arriving at the ER
I didn’t recognize my face
Or the voice that came
Out of my throat
Ives had made it clear
I didn’t belong here
Said it was not my choice
Using his name
Taking his place in the world
Who was I to think
It was ever going to be OK
As if my sanity in this world
Shamed and visceral
Would let me off the hook
So with a Vulcan nerve pinch
I checked out of the hospital room
Back to Tower 64
I swear I don’t remember
Ives says I stood out in the rain
Crying that his name
Was not my own
Waiting for the thunder
My family doesn’t know me
I’ve no memories or passwords
Pretending I belong here
As someone I don’t know
If you see me up there
On tower 64
I was only never lonely
It’s been way too long
Now these arteries and iron grip
Remind me I was Ives the master
-bushman
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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May 17, 2018 - 01:24am PT
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My Soul exists. It seats 5 and gets fairly decent mileage.
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RURP_Belay
Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
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May 17, 2018 - 05:08am PT
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We are all stardust.
Mind has zero to do with it.
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Don Paul
Social climber
Denver CO
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May 17, 2018 - 06:20am PT
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Maybe it does exist .... for now. Some people can never accept their mortality, though, and prefer the false promises of religions and cults. Believe whatever you want, but I think you'll be happier if your core beliefs are true.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 17, 2018 - 06:25am PT
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We are the most evolved “ape like” mammal...don’t read too much into that.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 17, 2018 - 06:47am PT
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I stand corrected.....time will tell.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 17, 2018 - 06:58am PT
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I thought so too until I saw how miuch better real apes climbed....we are just pretenders.
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WBraun
climber
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May 17, 2018 - 07:53am PT
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The soul has nothing to do with religions and cults.
Look in the mirror, are you a religion or a cult?
You yourself?
You are the soul itself, residing within your material vehicle of an organic body.
When you leave that material body the observation from a material view is this person passed or death of that BODY but not the actual living individual which is you.
No one ever says "I am body"
They say "my body", while pointing to their heart where YOU reside.
When you do something st00pid you point to yer head ......
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