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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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"DV is now my favorite park"...
Because of the great climbing???...
Yes, if you know where to go. Not DV proper but definitely within the park boundary, there is a lifetime of climbing to be had.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Yawn.
So stay home.
Yawn.
Go elsewhere.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Having said that, the Valley is crowded because it is amazing. There are many amazing places that haven't been transformed into petting zoos. The real problem is the proximity to some of the largest cities in the country.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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I could go to Yosemite on the most crowded weekend of the year, walk for 30 minutes from the road and have new routes, or swimming holes, and awesome scenery to myself for the entire day. Walk two or three hours and it gets even better.
Those whose minds are in a rut, only see a rut
Gotta agree with Warbler on this one.
I don't go as often now that I live near LA, but I was a regular weekend warrior for a while and quickly figured out how to have people be a non-issue. Enter/exit the park late or early, and plenty of destinations in the valley proper where you will never see another soul all day.
I'm glad there is a nice loop of road with concessions for people who would otherwise never go... it gives them something to marvel at, a reason to have a stake in the preservation of national parks. If they are all walled off and made into elitist retreats for the physically fit, most of the country wouldn't support their existence.
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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I am stoked for the new Starbucks!
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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I now think we should have proposed the return of the Yosemite Valley Railroad which ran from Merced to El Portal from 1907 to !945 & the removal of most permanent housing & facilities from the Valley to El Portal also among other things .
I do remember that proposal as far back as the late 60s / early 70s. Get on the train in the Bay Area with your camping gear. Ride to the railhead in Merced and ride the train up to El Portal.
To get back to the Bay Area, reverse the process. Sleep on board the train on the way home and arrive ready for work or school the next day.
The hotels, concessionaire, motels, SUV and RecV manufactures must have looked very dimly on such a utopian project.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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I vote more roads, more parking, more hotels, more advertising and more food places! Keep everyone there and entertained so the rest of the Sierra stays nice.
Yosemite can take one for the team
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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What or who hasn't become a ND at one time or another lately?
Justin Kaepernick’s anthem antics
Justin Timberlake’s halftime show
Obama or Clinton or Bush (take your pick)
Trump and his lies
Hillary and her lies
the high-handed excesses of the IRS
the rampant sexual harassment of women
the increasing number of homeless veterans and veterans’ suicides
the decline in the quality of public education
widespread child poverty
failure to assess properly children’s mental health
the lack of federal response to Puerto Rico’s hurricane crisis
the lack of a comprehensive guidebook to Yosemite climbing (but then we’d have more visitors to the Park, so forget this one)
and the list is pretty long still.
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2018 - 03:06pm PT
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My thread is influenced by people like John Muir who's heart was broken when Hetch Hetchy was approved also Martin Litton and David Brower who were partially responsible for ensuring that dams weren't built in the Grand Canyon. Seems to me that there are places on this earth that shouldn't be spoiled by development. I don't want to exclude anyone from seeing and enjoying Yosemite Valley and every effort should be made to increase this opportunity just don't use urban type development to advance this opportunity.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Reilly has it right, the real disgrace is flaunting the grizzle bear on the state flag even though it was extirpated in 1922.
It is estimated that California still has habitat for up to 500 grizzlies yet the state legislature still turns down bills to reintroduce them....and they claim to be a progressive state...phooey!
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throwpie
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Grizzlies instead of Black Bears in the valley would cut back the crowds I would guess. Where's Grandpa?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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500 Grizzlies in CA? Are you trolling Jim?
From Western Wildlife Outreach:
"The average home range size throughout North America for an adult female grizzly bear is about 70 square miles. Adult males have much larger home ranges, often 300-500 square miles."
There are some remote spots in the Sierra, but nothing to support apex predators with a range like that. Of course it would certainly cut down the traffic on the John Muir Trail...
But seriously, what do you think will happen to these bears after a few hikers get mauled? Or will you close the mountains to protect the re-introduced bears? The environmental movement really shouldn't waste it's powder over losing ideas like this.
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Mr_T
Trad climber
Northern California
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So no more people in wheel chairs allowed in Yosemite? Or the elderly?
Stay classy.
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quartziteflight
climber
Who knows?
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How are you going to teach people to value the forests, water, and wildlife when you want to exclude a majority of them from it?
Not being a climber anymore I find the moral elitism that climbers hold their ecological virtue pretty funny. Most people adopt viewpoints around already entrenched belief systems.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Reintroducing a grizzly would be a totally different bear than the California Grizzly, might as well introduce Polar Bears.
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Yosemite's a shithole!
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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It is estimated that California still has habitat for up to 500 grizzlies... Eff that! Grizzlies used to range all the way down to Mexico, but I see no reason to reintroduce them to all their previous habitats. I think the current situation works well: Canadians come down to America for Walmart and cheap gas, and Americans go up to Canadia for grizzlies. Everyone wins, and few people get eaten or annoyed by laws about minimum group size.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Who is going to clean the pit toilets for 5 million visitors a year?
I nominate WBraun.
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