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feelio Babar
Trad climber
Sneaking up behind you...
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Nov 29, 2006 - 10:49am PT
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reports have Marine teams in Fallujah shattering Hathcocks record...wide open country.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 29, 2006 - 10:56am PT
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What "record"?
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iceokie
Ice climber
Memphis, TN
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Nov 29, 2006 - 11:03am PT
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He was an interesting study in a warrior and a nice guy to boot. We worked with him on a few stories when I was with Rifleman Magazine.
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Blight
Social climber
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Nov 29, 2006 - 11:18am PT
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Vasily Zaytsev, the "hero" character in Enemy at the Gates is said to have had over 400 confirmed kills to his name by the end of the second world war.
However, his is a good exampe of how number of kills isn't the best indication of how "good" a sniper is: although he was undoubtedly a fine shot and was ahead of his time in his techniques for concealment and movement, it should be remembered that he was fighting in the battle of Stalingrad - an urban conflict during which the whole area was pretty much crawling with enemies, making very high kill counts common.
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ice ninja
Mountain climber
pittsburgh, pa
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Nov 29, 2006 - 11:22am PT
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Again, it wasn't about Carlos record but what he did to get those shots.
Absolutely amazing and very balls.
The problem is that we are unendated with movies that have guys sneaking around with no problem to get hits. But in reality it is something that is very difficult and very very scary. No one wants to die.
My respect to all who are fighting and my regret that they have to. I hope that some day there will be some justice for those who have had to die for oil and war profiteering.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Nov 29, 2006 - 12:46pm PT
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All above is very impressive, however, not impressive enough. As a youth, in the vast no-man's land of a city dump, near my home, I, on numerous occasions, would lie in wait with my Diasy pump, and, with astounding patience, would take out lizards at the incredible range of fifty feet. I feel some remorse now; however, all those little heads lined up on my wall above the fireplace still engender a thrill. The skill acquired in that dump served me well in later BB gun battles; and, for that, I feel no remorse.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 29, 2006 - 12:51pm PT
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Nor will you.
You won't even hear the shot.
Lizards have friends you know...
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2006 - 01:16pm PT
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BMG?
What muzzle velocities are we talking about?
They must be very high for the 1 mile shoots.
At a mile would they here the gun after a miss allowing another shot?
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ice ninja
Mountain climber
pittsburgh, pa
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Nov 29, 2006 - 01:28pm PT
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I can't remember the muzzle velocities.
same as an M60. Look that up.
It also has to do with the type of round, weight and rifling.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2006 - 02:04pm PT
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After a mile of flight how much velocity has been lost?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2006 - 02:16pm PT
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Their must be a lower limit for a bullet to penetrate the skull?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 29, 2006 - 02:24pm PT
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I'll bet it's below 100fps for a 180g boattail.
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 29, 2006 - 02:27pm PT
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Woody, I hope you pray at night for forgiveness. Vermin I could understand, but lizards? Bad juju on your mojo!
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5150
Trad climber
JOSHUA TREE
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Nov 29, 2006 - 02:30pm PT
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MY BROTHER HAS BEEN TO IRAQ 3 TIMES, AND WAS AWARDED TOP GUN AT SNIPER SCHOOL FOR THE ARMY. EASILY ONE OF THE TOP TEN SNIPERS IN THE ARMY TODAY. HE SAYS HE CAN SHOOT A GNAT OFF OF A CAMELS A$$, AT 1500 YARDS. OOPS... FORGOT TO MENTION, TWO BRONZE STARS FOR VALOR, IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 29, 2006 - 02:33pm PT
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Give us the lowdown on what he rifle he uses, etc.
Tell him to make sure and get his butt home safe.
Edit: I guess a shot at 1500 yards must mean he's using a 50 cal?
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Gunkie
climber
East Coast US
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Nov 29, 2006 - 02:46pm PT
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Wild Bill,
That was one freaky video! I thought the guy was shooting at rocks until the body parts begin flying! The projectiles, I think, are traveling faster than mach 1. So you could be talking to your bud one moment, then have his guts all over you the next and not even hear the gun sound for a few seconds.
What's the equation, F = mV^2 ? My only questions are: What's the mass of the projectile? And what's the velocity of the projectile? Because those bodies fly awfully far.
Glad no one has their crosshair on me.... Gotta go close those window blinds. Later.
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Alpine Raven
Mountain climber
Eugene, OR
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Nov 29, 2006 - 02:56pm PT
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Go see 'Jarhead'. Movie from the book by Anthony Swofford. He was a sniper in Gulf War 1. Fairly good flic.
AR
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2006 - 02:59pm PT
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I thank your brother for his service.
JDF
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Ksolem
Trad climber
LA, Ca
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Nov 29, 2006 - 03:00pm PT
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Of course the velocity is above mach one. Only a few types of ammunition, mostly designed for silenced operation, have speeds slower than sound.
I have read that the 50 bmg guys are using depleted uranium rounds, and that with these rounds they don't necessarily have to make a direct hit on their target. For example if the shot misses by a foot over the shoulder but hits a rock wall 2 feet behind the guy goes flying in pieces anyway. Anyone know more on this?
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