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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Jun 23, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
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voting results not believable
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 23, 2016 - 08:15pm PT
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They should bail on the EU if they want what's left of England to remain as she once did. Independent.
I'm a staunch nationalist, so there's that.
Globalism sucks the life from all culture, and nationality. It is a tool for elitists to govern wider swaths of us people. They do not care about culture (though they'll tell you they do, but watch their actions), nationalities, soveriengty.
They want power over YOU! F*#k them!
Oh, and one of our prez candidates will no go along with this...resists, he much.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 23, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
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Except that Newfoundland also had a referendum to be independent, part of Canada, or the UK. It would be a bit awkward to move next to a neighbor who voted to get away from you.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 23, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
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Tami, you go girl!
I'm all in on the UK/Frenchie swap.
EDIT: It would be a bit awkward to move next to a neighbor who voted to get away from you.
They'll work it out.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 23, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
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And then you have the issue of Scotland rowing East and England rowing West.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 23, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
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Bloomberg projects Brexit is a done deal.
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Jorroh
climber
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Jun 23, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
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The next shoe to drop will be a Scexit from the UK.
Once again, as if we needed any further proof, the vast chasm between the outlooks and aspirations of the people of Scotland and England is there for all to see.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jun 23, 2016 - 08:56pm PT
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Scotland is obviously wiser than the UK in general.
Curt
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:00pm PT
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I honestly thought they would stay but the conventional wisdom is just that:
conventional and the barmy blighters love to confound the toffs, eh?
It will be interesting to see how the markets react tomorrow. Today
was a verrry gud day. I suspect we'll be giving money back.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:03pm PT
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And, should Scotland vote to stay in the EU, and so dissolve the Act of Union of 1707, Orkney may hold a referendum to become autonomous again, and perhaps even rejoin Norway, which it was part of until 1468 CE. Probably hoping to take their oil, gas, and fish with them.
Really.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/20/scottish-independence-debate-orkney-shetland
In the meantime the economies of the world seem likely to be significantly affected by the result of today's referendum. There will blood running everywhere when the LSE and then NYSE open on Friday.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:07pm PT
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There will blood running everywhere when the LSE and then NYSE open on Friday.
Buy when there is blood running in the streets.
-Barron Rothschild
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
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The Economist predicted that GB's economy would take a 1.5% hit, at the most.
In the long run they could come out smelling like an English rose, especially
when it becomes apparent that the sky has not fallen. Not being in the EU
Sh!tshow doesn't seem to have hurt Sweden, Norway, or Iceland, and by all
accounts the latter has prospered mightily by not being in it and having
had to play the technocrats' tune after their troubles.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:14pm PT
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^^^^ We'll see. The Pound is down 10% against the Dollar right now.
Curt
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:16pm PT
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Sweden is a member of the EU, but doesn't use the euro.
Norway has joined most of the EU treaties, except (officially) the political ones, and contributes substantially to the EU budget.
Iceland isn't large enough that the EU worries much about it. (Although I hope that they beat England in the European Championship.)
Britain - or at least England - may want to have status similar to Norway, but that may not be available. The result may be that England is still subject to much the same regulation/bureaucracy, financially not much better or worse off, and has much less political voice in Europe.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
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Yes but the UK has their own independent bank for their money and can manipulate their treasure according to their own self interest and not what the laziest players on the team want.
I think it's going to come down to this--if the EU implodes in the near future because of Greece, Spain, Italy, etc., this vote to exit will look really smart. If not, the costs to the UK could be pretty high.
Curt
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:23pm PT
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So who has any political voice in Europe vis a vis those unelected Brussels bueaucrats?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 23, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
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Gotta feel bad for the Brits.
6 1/2 hrs until the pubs open.
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