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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Feb 20, 2016 - 08:29am PT
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unified National Security efforts interesting.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Feb 20, 2016 - 08:35am PT
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It's always surprising to me when the same people who cannot stand the idea of gov't intrusion into their lives will easily and willingly give up their personal freedom from gov't intrusion into their life when they are afraid of something.
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John M
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Feb 20, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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I understand your statement but it's similar to saying that you are patently again war.
I don't see how you get that. To me his statement is more like saying, yes, its war, but you can't use a nuke every time you feel like using a nuke just cause war is scary or hard.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 08:52am PT
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Privacy: If I want privacy, I keep the data/idea in my head.
Once I speak my privacy vanishes.
Why should I depend on Apple and their encryption for privacy? A false god of security some of you cater to?
Sir George Moore knew this idea -- but he talked and lost his head.
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WBraun
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Feb 20, 2016 - 09:00am PT
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Privacy: If I want privacy, I keep the data/idea in my head.
Doesn't work that way anymore.
The human mind has become vey weak.
The trust of mans word means nothing anymore in this stoopid day and age of hypocrisy and quarrel.
Everything has to be written down or digitized.
Then the dumb azz lawyers will come and dissect it to fit the way they want it.
The battle will be drawn to the will of whomever unless providence over rides at certain times and circumstances.
You people are insane now .....
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 09:03am PT
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Couchmaster,
I am saying I do not depend on externals to keep what I want private -- even apple. All bubbles can be broken so I do not depend on their intactness for privacy.
The rights in the Constitution are not without stipulations -- our society is somewhat utilitarian -- so some rights trump others.
National security trumps individual privacy as one would expect in any system of rule playoffs that keeps the top system in total power to preserve itself. I would rather satisfy national security [which I do depend upon] than protect some would be method of purchased security against one's dumb ass public blabbing. Apple -- I do not need their products.
So Couchmaster, I am asking why depend on Apple when you already have a great system of privacy? Apple's type of privacy is simply a middleman milking you every month and why should national security be breached in the name of apple's grand scheme of capitalism?
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Feb 20, 2016 - 09:18am PT
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Assume enough, dingus?
keep trying. and failing.
ah... f*#k it. you won't get a response again.
greased.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 20, 2016 - 09:29am PT
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WOW ^^^
Grease monkey Dingus for his opinion.
So fuking coward and sterile.
I don't need to agree or disagree with him but I'm so glad guys like him put forth his/their thoughts .....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 20, 2016 - 09:32am PT
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If the phone was suspected to be used in the commission of a felony crime, the phone can be seized as evidence. I got that, no arguments, right?
The Gov does not have the skillz to get to the goods. Apple says they can't get the data, but everybody knows they can if they wanted to. Like if their PROFITS would increase by $200 billion, I'll bet they'd find a way.
What if Apple agreed to privately access the data and deliver ONLY THAT DATA FROM THAT PHONE to the Feds?
Apple is not in a good position in this case, one way or the other.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 09:48am PT
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Right on Reilly!
Spouse cheaters?
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Feb 20, 2016 - 09:53am PT
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If its an investigation, regardless of the perpetrators, why not try to assist? wonder if this press will affect stock price over the long run, probably not. Might get a dip but then business as usual
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Spiny Norman
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Boring, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2016 - 09:54am PT
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Good article here: https://securosis.com/blog/do-we-have-a-right-to-security
The FBI, DOJ, and others are debating if secure products and services should be legal. They hide this in language around warrants and lawful access, and scream about terrorists and child pornographers. What they don’t say, what they never admit, is that it is physically impossible to build in back doors for law enforcement without creating security vulnerabilities.
It simply can’t be done. If Apple, the government, or anyone else has master access to your device, to a service, or communications, that is a security flaw. It is impossible for them to guarantee that criminals or hostile governments won’t also gain such access. This isn’t paranoia, it’s a demonstrable fact. No company or government is completely secure.
See also: Bruce Schneier on the iPhone (and linked articles therein).
Between them, these guys have forgotten more about security than I suspect the entire Supertopo cohort combined has ever known.
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Jeremy B.
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Northern California
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Feb 20, 2016 - 10:09am PT
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Who the hell needs encryption on
their phone other than spouse-cheaters and criminals?
Reporters, for one. In some parts of the world they have a rather short life expectancy.
Anyone doing business or research in competitive environments, for another.
Or, anyone who thinks their private correspondence is their own business. This isn't yet East Germany, as much as the more timid might want it to be.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 10:14am PT
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jeremy b,
all the encryption in the world doesn't stop traitors.
and for reporters: If they do not have complete rights of ingress and egress.
They can be held with encryption in hand until the contents are understood by the detainers. A risk they choose.
I doubts whether we will go to war over the loss of a reporter. Our government has its own divisions for espionage/reporting than depend on the public sector.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Feb 20, 2016 - 10:21am PT
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How did the FBI get the info from the medicine cabinet? What - did we agree to give them the OS to get a search warrant and break into the privacy of their medicines? Hell now they can just break into anyone's medicine cabinet. What's in your medicine cabinet?
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2016 - 10:32am PT
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Who the hell needs encryption on
their phone other than spouse-cheaters and criminals?
What Jeremy B. said. And:
• Anyone fighting for democracy, liberty, or human rights in an oppressive state.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 20, 2016 - 10:33am PT
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Elect The Hair!!
He'll fix everything and make these Apples bend over and say thank you!!
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Jeremy B.
climber
Northern California
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Feb 20, 2016 - 10:43am PT
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True, but it limits the leakage from "everyone" to just the few that were paid off/blackmailed/recruited. The state of this country's information security is bad enough without the FBI blowing holes in it just so they can add another tool to their toybox.
The feds already have the call records, the texts, the emails, heck, they even have the shooters. For that matter, they probably have recordings of the calls. The FBI doesn't exactly have a sterling record of not abusing the public's trust so I'm not particularly inclined to extend more just because their PR folk have switched from "it's for the children" to "the terrorists are coming".
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 10:46am PT
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Jeremy B,
you say encryption is a tool these people need:
Reporters, for one. In some parts of the world they have a rather short life expectancy.
Anyone doing business or research in competitive environments, for another.
Or, anyone who thinks their private correspondence is their own business. This isn't yet East Germany, as much as the more timid might want it to be.
Answer, if you can get out of the box, what are the tools National Security needs to stop those whose very intent is destroy a system that permits the freedoms you talk about?
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