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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Wow cleo,thanks for that link, that was a really interesting and informative read. I knew the details of the 447 accident and have read the accident report, but that article really brought it all home. We never know how we are going to react until it happens and don't know what we don't know (if that makes sense). When I was road racing formula cars I went out for a practice session and suddenly had a sunburn at my back; some fuel had spilled from the tank breather and ignited from a bottoming spark. I tried to push the fire bottle button, but the steering wheel was in the way and I couldn't reach it; try things in real life was the lesson, I'd only thought about the button and never tried it. The fire burned up the fuel and went out.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite
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You guys surprise me with how much armchair knowledge you seem to have about such a wide array of subjects.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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cleo, please stay current, that article was linked on the aviation thread yonks ago. ;-)
enjo, don't be jealous, it's quite unbecoming.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2015 - 11:13am PT
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Nah I'm saying I hope their flight control maintenance is better than their engine maintenance.
Well...that's pretty close.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 27, 2015 - 11:20am PT
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Allegiant said an inspection found that a device that moves one of the plane’s two elevators had become disconnected
Sounds like somebody didn't adequately safety wire a nut on - Airframe 101.
Of course, as old as most of those MD-80's are the nut might have just
disintegrated.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 28, 2015 - 08:26am PT
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Sounds like the Russian & Chinese Air Force..... Oh Man.
PS: Appears this airline follows the above's training protocols. If you can fit in the cockpit seat, can reach the controls and read the gauges, by all means, go for it!
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GuapoVino
climber
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Wow, I clicked on Winemakers link to the pilots forums (in post #20). Holy sh#t, that's some crazy reading. I'm on a thread now taking about pilots flying under the influence.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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This year, there have been 16 reported incidents involving Allegiant flights that include emergency landings, flight diversions and aborted takeoffs.
Yikes! I didn't realize it was that bad! They only have 75 planes!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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Reilly....Correction...74 planes...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2015 - 06:21am PT
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Several similar critical maintenance issues discovered in multiple aircraft after aborted takeoff that nearly crashed.
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/business/article41736207.html
WASHINGTON When two Allegiant Airlines pilots couldn’t control their plane and scrubbed a takeoff from Las Vegas in August, the carrier discovered that a critical piece of equipment in the tail had come loose.
Allegiant ordered inspections of its other Boeing MD-80s to ensure that all similar connections were secured. Eight days later, Allegiant said in response to questions from Bloomberg that all its aircraft “were found to be in working order.”
By that time, mechanics had already come across two other jets with bolts in similar locations that weren’t properly locked in place, according to company repair logs obtained by Bloomberg. Later that month, they discovered another unsecured bolt on a third plane. While Allegiant says the fasteners weren’t on the same component that failed in Las Vegas, the Federal Aviation Administration says it is aware of the findings and has stepped up oversight of the airline.
Read more here: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/business/article41736207.html#storylink=cpy
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 29, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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It isn't a matter of if, well, if they stay in business long enough.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 29, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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MD80's are over-sized lawn darts.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 29, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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...I mean how else are you supposed to land without runnig out of altitude and airspeed??
True dat although it is highly preferable to run out of altitude and
airspeed a couple of feet above the 'numbers', not 100' and 800' short of
a sea wall. ;-/
I can't believe I just checked on a ticket to Europe on Aeroflot. The
price wasn't nearly good enough to warrant that amount of risk.
I've flown with them and they are cowboys. Not in the same league with
Asiana, but still pretty rowdy.
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