The 4 people who climbed Wings of Steel talk (Video)

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Psilocyborg

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 04:38pm PT

climbers are sheeple too

ground_up

Trad climber

mt. hood /baja

Nov 20, 2014 - 04:50pm PT

punishment for those involved should be that they
have to go do the route. It does not look easy.

wheatBeer

Social climber

TheBronx

Nov 20, 2014 - 04:51pm PT

Jensen & Smith are owed a huge public apology from the yosemite locals of the day.

God Damn Right!!!

WBraun

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 04:53pm PT

Yeah right just blame all Yosemite Locals many who had absolutely nothing to do with this circus ......

Psilocyborg

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 05:26pm PT

Yes all of them. Malemute is going to drive down there and personally hold all of you responsible. In his Prius.

MisterE

Gym climber

Bishop, CA

Nov 20, 2014 - 06:43pm PT

The clip really brings some resolution for me. After watching the movie in Yosemite last year, and the heckling and booing, I actually watched the whole thing again just now.

What is done is done, and it seems that things have settled out and those that were involved in various aspects of this have made their peace with it.

The internet, and our seemingly-endless desire to exacerbate, is less forgiving.

Thanks for the clip, and the links to the movie.

It was better this time.

Meaty

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 07:28pm PT

"Jensen & Smith are owed a huge public apology from the yosemite locals of the day.

All of them."

Dream about it, never gonna happen! It's the dumbest climb in Yosemite history....and there's actually a movie about it!!
After being named the "shitter" for 30 years by M and J, even though they lie and say otherwise, it's not forthcoming. We all know who actually was the shitter, and that chump never apologized to me for taking loads of crap and getting scapegoated for his actions. You weren't there malemute, you're jumping to a hollow conclusion. S and J throw victim cards like confetti....pretty darn silly!!

One thing is very certain, the movie has only two people involved in the circus...S and J, no one else. Never is there just one side for any story, always two or three or more, this movie and video clip and book have one narrow focus. In one of the movie trailers S and J claim people surrounded them and threatened violence, just a lame ridiculous assertion and I never heard that previously. Werner is correct, to group everyone deemed a "Valley local" is silly, the narrative in the movie and book claim it was a big mob mentality when in fact it wasn't, not even close!!

"They were too cowardly to climb the route to get the facts"

Nope, we were all lied to by the three perps, they came back after their vandalism and told everyone it was a bolt ladder, funny how that fact among so many others isn't in the movie, book or this video clip because it doesn't fit their ridiculous narrative. Again, you were NOT there and from the sounds of it you just might believe the WMD's in Iraq fallacy?

From Peter Haan....no disrespect intended, but this is just pure fantasy because what happened in the Valley in the years after WOS indeed had some horrible actions by many.
Mar 17, 2014 - 01:51am PT
"Perhaps we can say all these years later and with all the changes since, a Wings of Steel incident could not happen again in the Valley today."

"Crazed termitic locals might not try to hurt them and won't feel they have to protect anything by bullying and abuse."

Perhaps a very small group of people wanted to hurt them, very small group, I was not included along with the majority that were vocal and have never heard about that fantasy until I saw that trailer...again, we were lied to, not an excuse for being jerks but just a fact.
Peter and many others don't even have a clue what happened in the Valley during the 80's, not even the slightest clue, so jumping to conclusions is just another hollow false narrative. Some pretty serious violence and vandalism did go down that makes the entire WOS incident look mild.

From crunch:

Nov 4, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Great comments Peter Haan. Thoughtful, sharp. As usual, an excellent "perspective" on the whole deal.

Again, no disrespect intended, but Peter doesn't know the whole deal because he wasn't there and hasn't heard the whole deal from all the players.

Just my two cents, don't believe the false narratives presented in this movie, it's nothing remotely close to the "whole deal".
Paul Joseph Goebbels would be proud of this lame propaganda video and only lemmings care about this stupid climb.

Studly

Trad climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 08:33pm PT

Because no one has done a third ascent...and we all want Grossman to give it a try and report back here!

wheatBeer

Social climber

TheBronx

Nov 20, 2014 - 08:47pm PT

To bad Steve Grossman's finger prints are all over the "controversy". He is the embodiment of the MOB of that time.

Steve calls him a historian is such a joke. What a blowhard. He has absolutely no credibility with me. Well documented that he is no historian but a perpetrator of rumor.

Probability that Grossman in one of the "shitters"......High.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Nov 20, 2014 - 08:48pm PT

Nor do i Kevin...nor do i.

You're not alone.

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Nov 20, 2014 - 08:54pm PT

No climbing on Sundays for religious reasons??

Great vid, well made with lots of enjoyable interviews. Thx.

Meaty

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 09:10pm PT

Not a sincere apology Ron. Steve heard there was gonna be a video about this dumb climb and thought he would be outed as the shitter. He did indeed fool loads of people though with his phony apology.

The WOS movie has a very narrow focus and it's hype has people believing all sorts of silly false narratives regarding those of us on the rescue team during those years. When I watched one of the trailers with all the hype and lies from S and J claiming it was a organized mob that made threats of violence etc....I just laughed my a$$ off!! Again, they throw victim cards around like confetti....whine whine whine!!!
When all the players are left out except the so-called victims harping and whining about their story, it's pretty obvious it's all narrowly focused hype. I see a very dishonest narrative in the production of this movie, ....very sad indeed. But until these victim card throwers wrote their book it was all nothing but a distant memory for most of us because it remains a stupid climb that will never be significant or popular. No one would care if there wasn't so much hype.

Just shameful dishonest scapegoating in order to hype up those extremely false narratives, it's pathetic. Those slandering Steve Grossman obviously remain clueless, he's a fine human being and a very talented bold climber.

WBraun

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 09:15pm PT

Hey meaty

Didn't P Chesko die a few years ago?

The Wolf

Trad climber

Martinez, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 10:59pm PT

When posting this video clip I certainly never expected to start this type of discussion. As a filmmaker I normally don't defend nor explain the choices I made. But it is interesting to me how people see what they want to see and make statements of fact about the work when no evidence of those facts exist.

I made this film with, for and about my friends and their second ascent of a controversial climb. During the making of the film we talked with the first ascentionists and some people who had a relationship with El Capitan. We never intended nor did we attempt to tell the whole story of WOS. That thread is a sub plot in the film and certainly not propaganda.

We tried to make a film that appealed to an audience beyond just the climbing community and we have been successful in that. The minutia and technical aspects of climbing were muted to to try to reach that larger audience.

I'm thankful the film is still being watched and continues to spur discussion. The continued discussions that the film inspired is what in my mind makes the film a success for me as a filmmaker.

Meaty

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 11:01pm PT

Hi Werner
I've heard rumors about that, don't know?? Hope not!!

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Nov 20, 2014 - 11:23pm PT

Meh. I was there, didn't care. Weird sh#t happens all the time all over the world. So there's that. At the end of the day, the only question to ask is: Does Wings Of Steel do El Cap proud? I've answered that question for myself, not that I cared much. And Steve Grossman is an awesome human being whom I'm known for 30 years, so alla you the H8ers can eat my f*#k.