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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 12, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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I'm pro-choice and anti-judgement.
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Stevee B
Trad climber
Oakland, CA
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Aug 12, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
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My philosophy is to take advantage of every resource.
Diet, exercise, medical doctors, therapy, psychiatrist, medication, meditation, social connections, intimate relationship, work goals, relationship goals, climbing goals, charity, service, spirituality, recovery groups, sleep hypnotherapist, sponsorship etc.
Obviously there isn't time for all of it, so I try a lot of things and divert my limited resources to the things that seem to result in the best outcomes. When something stops yielding results, I switch.
As was mentioned upthread, life has many seasons and acts, so I try not to be afraid to try something new as circumstances fluxuate.
More importantly I learned I had to dodge the melancholy self-reflectance. Going deeper and deeper inside wasn't helping. Listening to sad music wasn't helping. Watching the news wasn't helping. Drinking and smoking really wasn't helping.
I've never been able to quit things, but I have had them drop out of my life when I started doing something else that squeezed the old negative thing out.
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Aug 12, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
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I'm anti-judgement.
Bullsh#t, everyone one of us makes judgments everyday or else you would not have made it this far. Who should you listen too? What should I believe? What am I going to do today? Even the Dali Lama is judgemental. Spare us that higher than thou horsesh#t.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 12, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
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Bullsh#t, everyone one of us makes judgments everyday or else you would not have made it this far. Who should you listen too? What should I believe? What am I going to do today? Even the Dali Lama is judgemental. Spare us that higher than thou horsesh#t.
I said I was against it not that I didn't practice it. but since it's it's important to you then you're absolutely right. I practice judgement every time a light turns yellow or some internet pundit nitpicks a random point taken out of context. I'll return with my decision after a short commercial recess.
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Mark Allen
Trad climber
Longo, CA
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Aug 12, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
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My heart goes out to all who have lost loved ones to suicide. I personally have thought about it. Once at 27 and this last year at 60. I just couldn't do it based upon the the wreck that I would leave to those who love me. I do not stand in judgment of those who take their own lives. This past winter I finally sought help. Medicine and a professional therapist helped me deal with "issues" I had stuffed inside for over 40 years. Before getting help I thought it was unmanly and wussypuss so I just sucked it up and suffered. My therapist said he was amazed that I hadn't been in before. My counseling is one appointment from over and I'm being weaned off medicine. I'm enjoying life like never before (even though heartaches and hardships abound for all of us). I thank the LORD for helping me through this difficult season. If you are suffering, get help. By the way, my brother died of pancreatic cancer about 16 months ago and we both had the same primary physician. I saw this doctor about two weeks ago and he has been treating my family and myself for almost 28 years. He is retiring soon and his last words to me were, "You and your brother are two of the bravest men I've ever met." That's not a boast. Don't put it off! Get help! Thank you LORD for your grace!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 12, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
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Amen Mark!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
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This life is a gift. Imagine that after you die, you will be asked what positive things did you do with your life to contribute to the tapestry of life? Live to have a positive effect on the life force on this planet, not a negative one. Killing yourself is of course negative. Best wishes.
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
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he was rich, well known, famous world wide... blah blah
I'm with you Tami, another dumb utterance from Mr. Anderson
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:30pm PT
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Ron continues to show his colors. Mental illness can be terminal just like a physical illness, sadly we think people with severe depression should just shape up. So sad.
People need to change the way we look at this illness.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
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Studly -- "Killing yourself is of course negative."
Studly is always intelligent guy.
We don't own our bodies, when we destroy our gross physical body by suicide one will then become ghost.
You will remain in your subtle physical body until your present destined life is over, number of breaths (prana).
You will suffer worst after suicide because now you don't have a gross physical body to interact with the material world nor can you move on.
You're fuked!!!
Opposite of what you mental speculators thought .......
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
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Werner wrote: We don't own our bodies, when we destroy our gross physical body by suicide one will then become ghost.
Horsesh#t.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:42pm PT
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new benchmark of retardation.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:42pm PT
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Some people don't get it. I don't understand it either but have witnessed my wife's problems.
I would rather be struck by lightening again, buried in an avalanche again, attacked by mountain lion again, than have to take my wife to the ER again.
Just thinking about this makes me sad, because I don't understand. Life is a mystery and so is death.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:46pm PT
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Ron..STFU and leave will you. Do us a favor.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:57pm PT
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I've been through hell and back as a result of depression, so I will do whatever others allow me to help those suffering from it.
Wow John, I would have never guessed. I suppose I haven't hung out on the depression threads where you might have posted about this aspect of yourself.
Thanks for sharing this about yourself. That in itself can't be easy.
When we are really sick, it's hard to imagine a day when we'll feel good. When we are back up, you can look back and understand that feeling, but the reverse isn't quite so easy to grasp. My old GF went through a panic attack spell--I just couldn't understand it at all. All I could do was try to offer her my support, and love.
The mind is sometimes too smart, it outsmarts our best attempts to hide around a corner from it's dark thoughts.
When you are feeling sick, or feeling very blue, fight it. The good days are really worth it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
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Career slowing up
Yeah, only four movies in the queue...
What happened Ron, did you take an extra dose of your stupid pills today?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:05pm PT
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Don't listen to Ron Anderson. Being depressed (an emotion) is not the same thing as depression (a mental illness). Every knowledgeable source you read makes this point over and over but some people still don't get it and continue to peddle dangerous falsehoods. As I mentioned previously I wish they called depression something else like neural chemical imbalance.
There's nothing wrong with seeking help for it. You are not a bad person for having it, anymore than anyone else who has an illness. It's often not something you can control on your own. There are people that devote their lives to learning about it and helping to treat it (in various ways); take advantage of their expertise (but ultimately make the decisions about what you think is best for you).
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
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new benchmark of retardation. hey, please don't disparage people with a disability...
more like new benchmark of ignorance...incomprehension..> stupidity..
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:27pm PT
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Do you understand why Robin Williams,
I'll throw my speculative 2 cents in the pot here. I won't do so as any attempt to address the broader issue of depression or suicide--- rather I'll restrict my comments to what I think about RW specifically:
Williams was a high-functioning bipolar sufferer who used his personality disorder to brilliant effect. This man was highly intelligent. He was a reputed member of MENSA and had an IQ of perhaps well over 140.
Early in his career he tapped into his manic side to fuel his comedy appearances before live audiences. Whether he was able to psyche himself into a manic pattern ,naturally or by drugs,is unknown---but once in that indispensable manic zone he found the need to modulate this precarious state with alcohol. He did this primarily to help himself maintain some modicum of composure and control lest the general audience see behind his very frenetic and funny mask.
People in the public eye who are at the mercy of these disorders live in constant fear that they'll be "found out" . Imagine the toll on one's mental energy in maintaining and sustaining this magnificent facade. RW must have at one time snorted cocaine to trip-off or initially activate the manic phase while using slurps of high-octane booze in on-going attempts to keep it all under control. Manifesting his natural comedic talents was the least of his problems. Being funny could look and feel almost effortless compared to the high wire act going on deep inside.
Later in his career as he moved into dramatic film roles a different set of of approaches was largely required. Here he could tap into his more depressive side. This side of his personality probably came a lot more naturally---and by that I mean the acute need for drug activation may not have been required. Like most actors he could just dip into the bag of life experiences like we all experience and be just fine. Still, the depressive side was instrumental in acquainting RW throughout his life with the full range of deep experience and even pain necessary to pull off credible dramatic roles. .After all, in a very real sense , he had been playing a serious "role" his entire life. Hiding both the "black dog" and the crazy manic away from the view of the outside world doubtless was effective on-the-job training for an aspiring actor. But once again, it must have been continually exhausting and very stressful.
Towards the end of his career RW began to face what all older persons encounter to some degree: financial problems , health difficulties, etc.. Even if they continue to work to some degree as RW did ---- still there is a sense that the quality and quantity of work is lessening and that one's productive life is drawing to a close. The offers and the phone calls become less frequent .For ordinary people this is a situation more or less taken in stride, even welcomed---- but for a bipolar adrenaline junkie ,like RW ,who's psyche was built over a lifetime around the crazy dynamic I have just outlined -----it must've been a death sentence.
This situation ,coupled with facing the pressing need to reinvent himself, must have been daunting . Robin William's world had radically changed and the extreme condition that had helped to fuel his art and to create the Robin Williams we all knew was suddenly of no good to him any longer. If his world had changed he would not change with it.
The "black dog" came in from the cold and curled up at his feet one last time.
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