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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:35pm PT
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I like rattlesnakes.
Ducks are sometimes pretty annoying, though.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
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I think Herr Braun is onto something here (though his piranha alternative sounds a bit fishy and hauling someone up El Cap is problematic, not to mention the other criticisms offered):
How a guillotine works:
•Total weight of a guillotine is about 1278 lbs
•The guillotine metal blade weighs about 88.2 lbs
•The height of guillotine posts average about 14 feet
•The falling blade has a rate of speed of about 21 feet/second
•Just the actual beheading takes 2/100 of a second
•The time for the guillotine blade to fall down to where it stops takes 70th of a second
The lead up to the actual deed is the same in all cases.
I can find no instance of a failed guillotining (put 'em up if you got 'em) and the chop itself is 2/100 of a second.
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
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what about that French doctor who, upon sentencing to ze Guillotine, had his assistant measure out the period of continued awareness by the number of blinks executed by the good Dr. after decapitation? It was a good ten seconds if I am not mistaken.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
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I'm not sure that the blink reflex is indicative of awareness (there are alot of folks who visit the ST who blink a lot, but really cannot be deemed to have any kind of real awareness).
Howver, I do not have any data on how long die-ees continue to blink when killed by other state sanctioned means (e.g. gas, electric chair, gunshot, hanging ...).
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
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The recent statistical evidence is that 1/25 death row inmates were falsely convicted.
So lets have a lottery and randomly commute 1/25 sentences.
National Academy of Sciences, March 25, 2014
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/04/23/1306417111
And that doesn't count those who were mentally incompetent when they committed the crime.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:50pm PT
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What do you do with pure evil? For whatever reasons some people are. They force themselves on others distributing a huge, incredible amount of physical and mental hurt, pain and resulting grief. And it's not just on their victims, but also the families, loved ones and friends.
Can you imagine society in general with many of these perps at large and doing whatever they will and want? Would that happen if there was no accountabiliity for their actions? Jess asking.....
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
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These are rattlesnakes or people? Just to be clear.
Kill too many rattlesnakes, who is going to model for all the "Don't Tread on Me" Banners?
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:53pm PT
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zBrown you crack me up.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
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So zBrown says guillotine is the ticket.
End of story.
Americans can now stop babbling and get to work.
You will now be guillotined when you misbehave badly.
Moral of story "Do not misbehave" ......
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
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could we guillotine them as we throw them off of El Cap? or maybe just toss the heads off El Cap after guillotining? I mean, we need to be damn sure and all.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
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Although I do not relish meeting up with them, I've never found it necessary to kill a rattlesnake and I run into a lot of them.
Did the guy in OK "deserve" to be killed humanely? I really wonder. Read up on what he did. Whoops, but then read what the state of OK did?
What's the difference?
Simple. Intent.
One person had no remorse for the woman being killed and being buried alive. The state of Ok tried to kil the rat in a 'humane' manner, but it failed. I have no mercy for the rat.
Firing squad. 4 Shooters with 2 having live rounds an 2 firing blanks. Blindfold the subject, everybody takes a headshot.
Quick, easy. A little more messy, but hey, unemployment is high. Someone could be employed for cleanup duty. Shovel-ready job, brah!
Pretty humane IMO.
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:00pm PT
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but if everyone takes a headshot, who shoots the con?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:02pm PT
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that's pretty funny, cowboy....
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz CA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
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If one of the most heinous actions imaginable is the taking of a life why then can it be condoned when the "government" does it? So many mistrust the "guberment".. Why would they trust it to take a life?
It amazes me that so many folks that think abortion is murder will totally support the death penalty. If only God can create and take life regarding conception then how can the death penalty be condoned?
I'm with Cragman....lock em up and throw away the key.
Susan
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jstan
climber
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:05pm PT
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Two realities should be introduced to this discussion.
1. There are cases where authorities are refusing to review convictions even though new DNA evidence appears to prove the defendant was not guilty.
2. People have been sent to jail based solely on testimony by a jailhouse informant.
Some of this difficulty might not be there if the person committing the crime were continuously under observation by multiple witnesses while committing the crime and continuously visible up to the time of capture. As long as the identification is solid there is much less question as to fact.
Another thing that is not being factored in. This is the era of suicide bombers, people who are willing to die. Right now in the US the prevalent modality for taking people with you is by gun. All the gun does is allow you to know your yield before you go. If there are now numbers of people suffering from this mental state, and we all live in roughly the same environment. how is it we each are certain we have a full six pak ourselves? Look around. It seems to be everywhere. In varying degrees. But it is everywhere.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
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pure evil
That's the only exception. Every rattlesnake gave me a warning or slithered away silently with no ill intent.
The "death penalty" is barbaric, as was shown yesterday.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
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Herr Braun and I have concluded that the guillotine is the way to go. We'll be working up a defintion of really bad misbehavior. In the meantime go ahead and get back to work and stop wasting time on the ST.
Note to bluering. Should they use those nuclear bullets that I have popularized if OK rejects the guillotine in favor of your approach.
Note to jstan and HT. Well taken points. Can you kill someone humanely and then humanely bring he/she back to life after death?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
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bluey
which of the 1/25 on death row would you commute?
Nahhhhh....that would be too much work and besides 24/25 are guilty
So shoot them all.
Lynne
research in the US and other capital punishment countries has shown that the death penalty is only a small deterrent, if any. When someone is pissed off or crazy or stoned enough to kill another they're not thinking at all. Or they're thinking what the hell, I don't have anything to live for anyway.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 11:14pm PT
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Pay attention Ron, if it's really [proved] bad misbehavior, it's the blade.
It's always something though.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 30, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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so Ron you're happy putting 1 innocent person to death for every 24 guilty ones.
That's really smart.
What if they falsely convict you of murder? Should I be so eager to have you killed? Perhaps I would.
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