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MisterE
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Mtnmun made the point in the OP:
Many growers are caring environmentalists, not these people.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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My point there was that your cited article is a bunch of bullshit as well as the OP video.
Sorry to see you diasagree with facts and crime-stats that counter your silly ideas.
Take another bong-rip and forget about it, brah!
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John M
climber
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ISNT about pot being illegal,
I believe treez point was that if growing, smoking and selling pot were legal, then illegal aliens wouldn't be growing it in out national forests. So to him it isn't about keeping our borders safe. Its about legalizing pot. Much like keeping our borders safe had nothing to do with making prohibition work.
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MisterE
climber
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Sorry, I may have to pursue this issue a bit further physically since it doesn't seem to be getting through my brain?
BRB...
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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We like, totally need a new stoner thread. This one is harsh on the mellow.
I'll start one later if I remember.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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So, treez, you are saying they didn't do blood tests in the Wash. study?
How would they conclude they were related to Mary Jane? They're lying?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Treez, the autopsy is done within 72 hours or less, and like alcohol, they can determine your past toxicity at at the time of accident based upon blood samples.
Keep tryin'....
EDIT: Wait a minute......
Blue cited the liberal media as fact!
BWahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!11!1!11
I can find other sources too, and so could you if you looked. But you won't.
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John M
climber
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Treez, the autopsy is done within 72 hours or less, and like alcohol, they can determine your past toxicity at at the time of accident based upon blood samples.
Blue, as far as I know, there is no test to determine how impaired/intoxicated you are by marijuana. They can only tell if it is in your system. This is different from alcohol. The presence of THC does not necessarily mean you were impaired at the time.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2014 - 01:26am PT
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Hopefully all of this will end with legalization.
California Governor Jerry Brown said he is not sure legalizing pot is a good idea in his state because the country could lose its competitive edge if too many people are getting stoned.
Do you think legalization will create a lazy stoner state?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Governor Brown is smoking something.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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growing weed is for the most part environmentally unfriendly.
most growers (inc. ALL commercial) use pesticides, herbicides, inorganic fertilizers etc.
not to mention the electricity from the grid or generators for lights, fans, pumps and hvac
fuel to transport supplies and product, other stuff
these Mexicans are on a whole different level though
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Pot is less dangerous. Period. To drive on also.
So anybody who turns the NF/NP pot farm issue into an immigration issue is an idiot.
End of story.
Well, I guess the 'science is in'. So that must end the story.
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MisterE
climber
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JESUS CHRIST - WHAT ARE WE LEGALIZING? ENDANGERED FISHER-KILLING DRUGS.
MY GOD, I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT TAKE THIS NEXT BONG-HIT THE EFFECTS ARE SO STAGGERING.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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What? Dark skinned foreign people doing shady things because Raygun started a "war on drugs."
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Having discovered a harvested and abandoned grow in Castle Rock State Park, I can vouch they are both well hidden and really leave a mess. Even a small grow (about 1/2 acre) leaves pretty good pile.
We found this one while bushwhacking up a steep ravine. We followed the line of trash uphill. Its neighbor plot just across the ridge had been discovered pre-harvest and removed the previous summer.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Tobacco grows in limited climates and uses huge warehouses to dry the leaves, perhaps this is why you don't see everyone growing tobacco even though it is legal.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Breaky-poo time Ron.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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As a former professional land steward my answer should be known by now. Will you think differently when Kirkwood lakes area falls victim to this- it is a ripe area for such. Would you think differently if you or yours stumble into a trap? Those are real possibility's these days.
The problem with your rants, is that they ALWAYS villify the poor non-native, and TOTALLY IGNORE the absolutely required native Americans who must be involved to make this happen. Just like the employers who employ illegals.
So, when you talk about the Sierra NF, where you were a LEO,and I've been personally involved in cleaning up many, many grow sites:
Every one has had TONS of equipment and gear transported by hand through tough terrain. It would have taken perhaps 30 truckloads to transport. It could not have been sitting on the side of the roads for minutes, but many hours/days.
Most of these areas have very limited access by road.
They have to buy things. How is it possible that their activity would not be noticed? Answer: it is not possible. There is only one other answer: payoffs. To Americans.
Who are getting the payoffs, and why don't you want to pursue that???
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GuapoVino
Trad climber
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There's always going to be some small amount of illegal activity no matter what, even if it's legal. People still make moonshine even though alcohol is legal. They just don't want to jump through the hoops of bonding, insuring, paying taxes, inspections, etc. But the amount of illegal alcohol is extremely small compared to what is made legally. But if you can sell a gallon of moonshine for $100 then it's worth it to take the risk for some people.
Mexican citizens are doing the growing in these cases because its Mexican cartels funding it. They found an easy shortcut to bypass having to go through the difficulty of smuggling it across the border. In the beginning it was planes and mules. Then they came up with the idea of using tunnels under the border that led from one building to another. They've even used little submarines pulled behind boats. Now there is a crackdown on illegal grows in national forests so they will have to come up with some other ingenious plan to beat the system.
I think the continuance of large scale illegal grows like this will have less to do with whether marijuana is illegal or not and more to do with what marijuana sells for. Even if it's legal in every state in the US, if the price is still high there are still huge profits to be made. If making it legal in every state drastically reduces the price of marijuana then the profits go down and the risk is not worth the reward any more.
I get the feeling the the governmental agencies in the states where its legal (medical or otherwise) have some kind of motivation to keep it expensive as a means to reduce it's use. I think all they'll wind up doing is keep the motivation there to grow it illegally.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Looking at the bright spot here, this is one of the highest dollar low water usage plants in the world. Thus, the California Water drought/crisis farmers going bankrupt issue may be solved!
Smoke it it ya got it.
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