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Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Rest in Peace.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
My life is poorer having never met him
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
He'll be sleeping with Mother Teresa tonight.



wut? Too soon fer that? Crap, sorry.


paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 5, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
so where's the next Stand Up Man ?

Can be a woman too - just someone that stands up and makes changes happen, for the better...

The US considered him a terrorist til 08 or 9 too...wtf ??
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 5, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Thanks to the perseverance of men like Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko did not die in vain. I am sure Steve welcomed Nelson today with a big hug and a smile.

On 18 August 1977, Biko was arrested at a police roadblock under the Terrorism Act No 83 of 1967 and interrogated by officers of the Port Elizabeth security police including Harold Snyman and Gideon Nieuwoudt. This interrogation took place in the Police Room 619 of the Sanlam Building in Port Elizabeth. The interrogation lasted twenty-two hours and included torture and beatings resulting in a coma.[15] He suffered a major head injury while in police custody at the Walmer Police Station, in a suburb of Port Elizabeth, and was chained to a window grille for a day.
On 11 September 1977, police loaded him in the back of a Land Rover, naked and restrained in manacles, and began the 1100 km drive to Pretoria to take him to a prison with hospital facilities. He was nearly dead owing to the previous injuries.[19] He died shortly after arrival at the Pretoria prison, on 12 September. The police claimed his death was the result of an extended hunger strike, but an autopsy revealed multiple bruises and abrasions and that he ultimately succumbed to a brain hemorrhage from the massive injuries to the head,[15] which many saw as strong evidence that he had been brutally clubbed by his captors. Then Donald Woods, a journalist, editor and close friend of Biko's, along with Helen Zille, later leader of the Democratic Alliance political party, exposed the truth behind Biko's death.[20][better source needed]
Because of his high profile, news of Biko's death spread quickly, opening many eyes around the world to the brutality of the apartheid regime. His funeral was attended by over 10,000 people, including numerous ambassadors and other diplomats from the United States and Western Europe. The liberal white South African journalist Donald Woods, a personal friend of Biko, photographed his injuries in the morgue. Woods was later forced to flee South Africa for England. Donald Woods later campaigned against apartheid and further publicised Biko's life and death, writing many newspaper articles and authoring the book, Biko, which was later turned into the film Cry Freedom.[21] Speaking at a National Party conference following the news of Biko's death then–minister of police, Jimmy Kruger said, "I am not glad and I am not sorry about Mr. Biko. It leaves me cold (Dit laat my koud). I can say nothing to you ... Any person who dies ... I shall also be sorry if I die."
After a 15-day inquest in 1978, a magistrate judge found there was not enough evidence to charge the officers with murder because there were no eyewitnesses.[22][23] On 2 February 1978, based on the evidence given at the inquest, the attorney general of the Eastern Cape stated he would not prosecute.[24] On 28 July 1979, the attorney for Biko's family announced that the South African government would pay them $78,000 in compensation for Biko's death.[23]
On 7 October 2003, the South African justice ministry announced that the five policemen accused of killing Biko would not be prosecuted because the time limit for prosecution had elapsed and because of insufficient evidence.[22]
The Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which was created following the end of minority rule and the apartheid system, reported that five former members of the South African security forces who had admitted to killing Biko were applying for amnesty. Their application was rejected in 1999.[22]
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:50am PT

RIP hero.

This hit me harder than I thought it would, although I knew it was coming.

I remember in the mid '60s my parents trying to explain to me, just a kid, the complexities of South Africa, embargoes & boycotts and intolerable oppression.

And no, I don't expect that he was perfect and mistake free. Shall we talk about all of us?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:44am PT
Rest in peace
o-man

Social climber
Paia,Maui,HI
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:26am PT
RESPECT!
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:25am PT
All I can say, is that he was one of a kind.

Blah blah, you associate him with is ex-wife's shortcomings. You seem to not want to look past the fact he was human, when he realized his ex-wife's activities he distanced himself and divorced her.

I am sure Blah Blah, from previous posts of yours, that you stand tall in your mirror.

As for me, I have shortcomings, so did Nelson Mandela, so does every Supetopian, except Blah blah. Perfect to the T, aren't you bud.

But that is thread drift on my part. Apologies.

This thread is about a man who stood up to fight for human rights.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:36am PT
QITNL, are you suggesting the climbing is a form of apartheid? 20 years, why not next year or 100 years? And I would imagine you sir are not a Caucasian. I have worked with community groups - yes there are non-Irish, non-Caucasians in Ireland - looking to introduce climbing into people's lives.

Like Blah Blah, you seem (and correct me if I am mistaken) to want to belittle, for better lack of words, what Mr Mandela sought to achieve. Parity.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:47am PT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Nelson Mandela was, to me, as remarkable a man and leader as George Washington was to us. Despite decades of unjust imprisonment, he set South Africa on a course of peace, democracy and prosperity, rather than on revenge and poverty. One need look no farther than next door to see the difference between his achievements in South Africa, and the disaster brought about by Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.

I have little doubt Mandela will go down in history as one of the greatest leaders of my lifetime. Rest in peace, good sir. I wish I could hear the Lord welcome you, "Well done, good and faithful servant. Enter into the joy of your Master."

John
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
A little balance might be in order.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/world/africa/mandela-politics.html?hp

My grandfather was a state senator for 27 years in Wisconsin (license number: 3), and he was a wily manipulator to get conversations started among different factions.

At his wake in a tavern on the south side, my mother, me, and my grandmother were pushing brandies back while various people would come up to my grandmother and say what a wonderful human being and legislator he was. After one fella came up and fawned all over my grandfather, saying what a great man he was, my grandmother replied rather loudly: "yeah, and he could be a real son-of-a-bitch sometimes, too." The entire bar howled.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
When Andile Mngxitama, a black-consciousness advocate and frequent critic of Mr. Mandela, fired yet another broadside at the former leader before he died — comparing him unfavorably to neighboring Zimbabwe’s authoritarian president, Robert Mugabe — it certainly caught the attention of South Africa’s political class.

“It’s not an exaggeration to say Mandela’s leadership style, characterized by accommodation with the oppressors, will be forgotten, if not rejected within a generation,” he wrote in June.

Excellent link, Mike. Thank you much. The above is the start of that link. Of course Mandela was a politician -- so were Washington and Lincoln -- but, like them, and in contrast to Mugabe, he was also a statesman. It would be sad, indeed, if Mandela's leadership style were forgotten, because the result would be Zimbabwe's combination of hatred and abject poverty.

John
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 6, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
A well researched biography will be a great read... The man has lived...
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
This on-going attempt to sanctify Mandela is a bit much to say the least. Ironically I think Mandela's greatest achievement was his astute moderation after being released from prison. He could have degenerated into a Mugabe like figure ,but to his credit,and foresight, he moderated his hitherto draconian modus operandi. By doing so he saved the better part of his well-crafted image as a beneficent liberator (so cherished by westerners)---which he actually undoubtedly was in many ways , despite he and his party, the ANC, and their murderous past, and shady dealings behind the scenes--- shady dealings with all the players during that tumultuous period in S. Africa's history.

Bottom line however was that he was instrumental in the broad effort to dismantle the stupid and brutal apartheid regime and afterwards put S. Africa on a more or less peaceful course . He ultimately emerged as a naturally savvy and very effective political leader when the dust finally settled. A political rarity on the African continent.


Mandela with his two favorite henchmen--- his ghastly wife ,Winnie "the Necklace" (who was Nelson's fall guy) and Joseph Slovo---his bagman and Soviet KGB liaison and terrorist bomber extraordinaire.
Unlike the other two, Nelson can be seen actually displaying a discernible conscience. To his credit.
RIP


JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
Nelson Mandela and the ANC certainly embraced Marxism while he was imprisoned. Fortunately for South Africa and the world, he rejected it when he actually had to govern. Like Washington, he left office even though, had he so chosen, he would have been re-elected.

Yes, there was violent, awful excess during the time of Apartheid, both on the part of the government, and on the part of its opponents, including the infamous Necklace, of which I was quite aware. Nonetheless, the facts in current South African society speak for themselves. South Africa has a market economy, a pluralistic vibrant democracy, and a reconciliation between races that was unimaginable 40 years ago. I doubt that would have been the case under a different leader. Judge the man by his fruits.

John
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
Fortunately for South Africa and the world, he rejected it when he actually had to govern

He had no other choice. The original game plan was to eventually render S. Africa into a client state of the Soviets much like Cuba, etc.. as part of a broader regional offensive that also included the surrogate guerrilla actions in Angola and other widespread strategic offensives.

This all changed when the USSR collapsed in 1989-1990. Mandela was released from prison in 1990 because with no Russians around anymore the apartheid government no longer felt threatened in the same way, and consequently assumed they could more effectively negotiate with Mandela and the ANC now that the ANC's big brothers were gone.

The Boers knew their days were numbered and sought to make their last years as smooth as possible. Mandela , walking an international tightrope, knew this and moderated his tone., avoiding much bloodshed in the process. Again, to his credit.

Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
How he lived without resentments is beyond me. A Gran Varon, as they say. It's easy to intrpret the man by virtue of what the other Big White Powers were doing. Or not. But when you condsider where he came from, and how his kind were dealt with, it's a wonder he wasn't a far more radical, and angry, leader.

JL
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
it's a wonder he wasn't a far more radical, and angry, leader.

He actually was at one time--- and this was what landed him in jail. Once behind bars the white Afrikaners kept him alive as a bargaining chip and an insurance policy---one which they cashed in , in 1990.
Mandela was profoundly aware of the role he played as a political prisoner in this regard, and played it well. He very astutely calculated that his horrendous ordeal could eventually work out to everyone's advantage in the end---which it did. That he became in the process a cause célèbre in the west, was simply icing on the cake. His discipline was to keep things in this personal perspective , stay pragmatic ,and not give in to the victim mentality with the concomitant resentments, which could be counter productive from a leadership standpoint, given his and his people's predicament.
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