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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 25, 2006 - 12:57pm PT
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"I'm a f*#king american/californian! I can do whatever the f*#k I want! F*#k the f*#king rest of the world! How dare they ask me to help out! Just because the government is f*#king subsidizing my f*#king absurdly low cost of gasoline, electricity and gas. F*#k them. And f*#k you all 'cuz my mommy said I was the most important person in the world"
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 25, 2006 - 01:06pm PT
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"Oh and f*#k all you immigrants too! I got here, well, not first, but before you!"
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2006 - 01:29pm PT
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Mark Furman is my Hero.
Mark Furman wrote that book that got that Kennedy sent to prision for raping that 16 yr old girl then killing here with a golf Stick.
I hope to some day site down for a cup of Coffee with Mark in Idaho and thank him.
Juan
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 25, 2006 - 01:41pm PT
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"I don't need a sense of what's morally right. I have my f*#king sense of entitlement instead. I'm white and I'm male. So f*#k the rest of the world!"
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Jacob
Trad climber
yucky valley
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:01pm PT
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my ac hasnt been off ALL summer
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:03pm PT
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Dig a big hole in the back yard & put in a nice(KUBOTA) diesel generator.Then, install a bunch of solar panels up on the roof(MOST STATES LET YOU WRITE OFF ALL NATURAL POWER).Finally, call your local public service company & tell them to f*#k off.rg
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2006 - 02:46pm PT
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Leather shrinks when covered in blood.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:51pm PT
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"oil is power and if you dont have oil you have no power. us has no oil no power. us has no power. allah says more power and flower power. so there."
We ain't got oil but we got lard..and ribs and chitlins and bacon and hams and pork chops and pickled pig's feet and pork rinds too.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:22pm PT
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I'll bet a big reason California scores best in lowest per capita energy use is the "Clown House" phenomenon.
Real estate is so expensive sometimes two or three dozen low income people will share the same two bedroom, one bathroom house.
One light bulb for thirty people will really improve the numbers.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:50pm PT
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This is not due to low-income immigrants, illegal or otherwise. They don't have the money to spend on AC, etc.
It's the middle and upper-middle in their McMansions out in the hot exurbs far from the coast. They run AC, computers, big plasma TVs, all that fun stuff, alot more than 30 years ago.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:53pm PT
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It could also have to do with the fact that most of CA needs no heating or cooling for a good part of the year. Folks down here are running AC for probably 6 months out of the year.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:58pm PT
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Forest, YOU are the ones who need to cut your per-capita energy use.
You Arizona guys need to be more like us Californians.
Green Up, man!
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 25, 2006 - 04:34pm PT
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Chaz, I have a net use of less than zero kwH/month from my electric utility. What about you?
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 06:32pm PT
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I'm burning it up like there's no tomorrow!
But we can afford to, Californians use less electricity (per capita) than any other Americans.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Jul 25, 2006 - 06:46pm PT
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Tom--
"It's hard to say that the United States is at a disadvantage because there are people from all over the world who move here and contribute. "
I don't think anyone has a problem with this. I think what people have a problem with is the hordes that are here that, not only do *not* contribute, but suck as much $$$ out of us as possible.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 25, 2006 - 07:38pm PT
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The fun is only starting. Bringing a big baseload plant online is at least a ten year project. Major transmission lines not much less and even new distribution lines have to overcome major hurdles in siting.
Gonna have to be some major tradeoffs or else.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jul 25, 2006 - 09:35pm PT
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Ouch! is right.
And if they do not get this stuff done soon, everybody and his brother will be running their own diesel generators.
At which point, CA will have the lowest emission cars and the highest emission back yards and roofs and the lowest per capita energy use - or maybe not, since they can then use as much as they want ;).
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jul 25, 2006 - 09:37pm PT
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Hey Juan, want to get together and work on a family size nuke plant?
Even works in the dark when the wind isn't blowing.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jul 25, 2006 - 10:09pm PT
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DMT, actually tonight it's Gatorade for me.
What are you drinking?
And what percentage of California's average import is 500 Megawatts?
Yesterday the peak was over 50,000 Megawatts. How much did they have to import? How much was "voluntarily" not used? And when they hit Phase 2 Emergency, how much was just plain shut off?
And what are these fellows drinking - See pages 5-8
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