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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 25, 2006 - 01:29am PT
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Rolling Blackouts?
What is this India?
Ha, Ha.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:13am PT
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If your lights went out today, you can blame me.
I'm the guy who waited until 4:00 pm to do a load of laundry.
Why? Piss on 'em. That's why!
Anyone who's lived in California has heard for at least 35 years that I know of those stupid ass public service announcements saying "conserve power, it will help the power companies put off building expensive new power plants".
Stupid Me. I conserved. They didn't have to build those new power plants we could sure use right now.
Well I'm done conserving power. If I can pay for it, I'm gonna burn it.
I don't appreciate the Government, in the form of Governor Schwartzeneger and L.A. Mayor Villaraigosa telling ME to conserve electricity. Government in America wasn't established to tell the people what to do. It's the opposite. We tell the Government what to do.
The Government takes over power production and distribution and, of course, drops the ball when we need them the most. And then has the nerve to tell the customer to back off.
By doing my laundry at the exact time the Government tells us not to, I'm making a political statement; "Piss on 'Em!".
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:14am PT
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I dunno.
The Roman Empire was cosmopolitan and (somewhat) inclusive, and prospered. More recently, Switzerland was inclusive of people from disparate countries and is now pretty nice.
It's hard to say that the United States is at a disadvantage because there are people from all over the world who move here and contribute.
It seems that the countries that seek to be wholly insular and isolated create problems for themselves (c.f. Cuba and North Korea).
Juan, if you fill 5-gallon bottles of water and arrange them in your house like abstract artwork, the thermal inertia provided would allow you to SHUT THE AIR CONDITIONER OFF, and not risk rolling blackouts.
Tell your neighbors to do this.
So. Cal. architecture is retarded because of the fixation on insulation, and not thermally-massive building materials for homes. Ever see what an adobe house looks like? The Anasazi didn't need air conditioning because they knew how to build sensibly in a hot environment.
Burt Rutan (of aircraft design fame) built his house in Mojave on these principles (he claimed that the interior temperature was 12 hours out of phase with the outdoor temperature) and has very low utility bills.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:37am PT
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"while the long-haired maggot infested tree-huggers are watching I proceed to top off my tank and spill a half gallon on the ground."
Spoken like a true follower of Jesus. Surefire ticket thru them pearly gates.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:43am PT
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I grew up in SoCal. A 200 mile drive is what you did for fun after lunch.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2006 - 02:48am PT
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20 years ago, when I was a young man I could drive all over Los Angeles at anytime. I had the best of times.
No Traffic, Educated People, Clean Beaches, Clean Living Forests. Clean Water, One Language. Yosemite without rules.
A Deserted Joshua Tree.
What the Hell went wrong?
But I had the best of it, and so did my folks.
Its now time to move on North, sit back with my glass of wine and watch the sh#t hit the fan.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 02:52am PT
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"What the Hell went wrong?"
The Government took the Tax Revenue they used to spend on things like widening freeways and instead spent it on Government Pensions, so we could pay people more money NOT to work than most people make actually working.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:10am PT
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A 200 mile drive is what you did for fun after lunch.
I'm with you on that one. The canyon roads of north LA county/south Ventura county are worth the gas pains.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:12am PT
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"The Government takes over power production and distribution and, of course, drops the ball when we need them the most. And then has the nerve to tell the customer to back off.
By doing my laundry at the exact time the Government tells us not to, I'm making a political statement; "Piss on 'Em!".
Hello? Remember when electric generation was totally regulated by the hated government? The government controlled how much profit the utility made and how much they spent on new plants and lines? Those days were called "the good old days when we NEVER had rolling blackouts or obscene bills"
All this Enron/Blackout BS has started since deregulation and those sweet honest corporations and the sacred free market have taken over in the public interest.
Peace
karl
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:13am PT
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Jeff, if you ever come north give me a call. We might have a few things in common. Whoo, quick delete this post.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 03:30am PT
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"All this Enron/Blackout BS has started since deregulation and those sweet honest corporations and the sacred free market have taken over in the public interest."
The Los Angeles Department Of Water and Power is an arm of the Government.
You don't have to live in Los Angeles to be forced to buy your electricity from The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. That's where Riverside gets it's electricity.
Until the public has a choice of where we get our electricity, like internet service providers, there is nothing *free market* about it.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 25, 2006 - 04:02am PT
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As the noose tightens, and the petri dish fills to capacity, the conditions favorable for the reappearance of an Antichrist become more and more saturated .. .. . - Dr. Johnson
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Mullah Fucqa
Gym climber
Kandahar, Afghanistan
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Jul 25, 2006 - 04:47am PT
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oil is power and if you dont have oil you have no power. us has no oil no power. us has no power. allah says more power and flower power. so there.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 04:58am PT
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"It's not a supply problem this time, it's a distribution problem."
Imagine if I had used that Bull Sh-t excuse back in the day when I was a bartender.
"Sir, we HAVE whiskey, but I'm just too damned incompetent to get it to you."
"it's a distribution problem"
My bar would have gone out of business.
But because Electricity is a Government Monopoly, we have nowhere else to take our business.
My only way to make my voice heard is to use as much electricity as I can at the exact time we are told to *conserve*.
Piss on 'em!
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jul 25, 2006 - 06:51am PT
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Chaz, you might be interested in this.
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2006_summer_outlook/documents/2006-06-30_PROBABILITY.PDF
If you look at page 1, you will see that as recently as the end of June, the CPUC and CAISO predicted that there was a 42.4% chance of not having sufficient capacity to meet normal demand.
Page forward to page 3, and you will see that they predict that there is nearly a 5% chance even with demand reduction and interruptibles, that a stage 3 rolling blackout would occur.
In other words, voluntary conservation and voluntary interruption of service, is a key part of California's energy plan.
More details about CA energy planning can be found here:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2006_summer_outlook/index.html
Don't depress yourself by looking forward to the 2010 projections for So. Cal.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 25, 2006 - 07:00am PT
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TradIsGood,
I heard on the radio yesterday that Californians use less energy per capita than the residents of any other state.
They didn't say where they got that information, but I'll bet YOU would know where to find it.
Were these guys bullsh-tting me?
EDIT:
It turns out the Two Idiots On The Radio were NOT bullsh-tting me.
I found it. I googled "per capita energy use by state". Duh!
http://www.energy.ca.gov/electricity/us_percapita_electricity_2001.html
Californians already use less energy per-capita than the residents of ANY other state, and the @ss-holes in the Government, on the hottest day in decades, have the nerve to tell us not to use electricity?
Sorry guys, I'm using more, just because they asked that we conserve.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jul 25, 2006 - 07:27am PT
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CA total energy consumption per capita is low, as are FL, Hawaii and other states where a high proportion of the population live in areas with no winter heating requirements. Alaska will be number one, surprise.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/
Has tons of statistics on energy usage.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/st_profiles/e_profiles_sum.html has net generation in column 3. If you track down state populations, you could put that into a spreadsheet.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Jul 25, 2006 - 07:36am PT
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Chaz, that table you found looks suspicious to me. Why is Wyoming number one?
Look at the source of the electric usage column. (Linked at the bottom.) I think it might actually be generation, not consumption. Then it would make sense, since CA is a net importer of energy by about 20%. Just from memory I think WY is a coal burning state, as are many at the top of the list. They may be exporters. Then again, NJ is one of the highest nuclear generators in the electric mix and they are low in your table as well.
I am sorry. I just do not have an answer that I am sure of on this question at this time.
(My reference also is to generation.)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jul 25, 2006 - 08:10am PT
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New York, according to the table supplied by Chaz, has the 2nd lowest electricity use per capita? Wow....I'd never have thaught so.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jul 25, 2006 - 09:01am PT
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"Why is Wyoming number one? "
just a guess but Delta Tº approaching ~150ºF could have something to do with it.
Probably Is production, though it iS a big coal exporter, nine open pit mines around Gillette alone.
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