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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
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Nearly all of the recent winners of the National Spelling Bee have been non caucasion second generation immigrants.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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bruce ,cool,its thick where i live to,i went to don cherrys hockey school.40+ years of hockey .....and werner,some people have a piece of paper they worked for AND have been tradesmen for over 30 years.....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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Bruce, Huntsman was the best candidate they had but the Tea Party nixed him.
Hey, I'm going to have my prostate cancer treated at the center his father established in SLC- wonderful place!
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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You can't compare the top 1% (who understand science, win Nobel prizes, go to MIT, Stanford, Caltech, etc, or who are great tech innovators) with the 99% who have no clue. For every Steve Jobs there are a lot of Homer Simpsons. The best few % of anything in the US is the tops in the world but the rest of the country is mediocre at best.
Canada is not much better except we are not as religious.
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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Get with the times, it's not creationism anymore it's
Intelligent Design . Creationism is certainly not based on science nor does it sound scientific but intelligent design sure does so it must be more credible now. Next they will probably call it I-design to convert all the apple users in America.
I'm curious how the christian universities deal with the intelligent design vs evolution conflict. I assume they just bury their head in the sand like they have for the last 800 years, ask Galileo.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
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next to the boobs thread, this one is one of the best yet and just getting started
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
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I just wonder how the hell the generation that so embraced "enlightenment" ended up defining that concept as meaning 15,000 watts of custom lighting in their private vineyard estate home with built in sauna and 25 big screen TVs with integrated Internet access.
True - all of their construction workers were certified organic Vegans who drove Bio-diesel pickups - so I guess it's cool in the end.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
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I just finished a contract with a really big oil company, in the geoscience division. About a quarter of them were foreign, and very smart.
Other countries really want to improve math and science education because that is where the future is headed. Even muslim countries put regular ads in the oil publications looking for good geoscientists. You are quite free to believe in the geologic time scale.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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I am a great fan of the geologic time scale, it doesn't make me feel quite so old.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
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Cool thread! Just want to say thanks for a country that can incubate an original like Jim D. Maybe it's borders were a bit too confining considering the climbing to get done. Hope the treatments go well.
edit:
in case you feel old:
I posted this on another thread, but thought it deserved more coverage. It belongs on a climbing shirt, or on the cover of a training book.
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
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American has no monopoly on ignorance. What nation is any less ignorant? How would we know?
On a personal level, who has any reason to be so proud of their own knowledge/lack of ignorance? I've never met a single person (myself included) who isn't pathetically inadequate/ignorant about entire spheres of human knowledge, experience and existence.
I suggest a lot of compassion and humility about human ignorance, including our own, is well in order. Smug confidence with one's own state of knowledge and state of grace, so rife amongst all humans, is just hubris and hot air.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Dec 30, 2012 - 12:18am PT
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"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
Let pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o'erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a galled rock
O'erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swill'd with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height..."
Maybe a little hyperbole, but probably not quite that much. Best wishes...
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 30, 2012 - 12:36am PT
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Ideally, blind dumb allegiance to Dogma should be marched in front of a firing squad and shot.
That would be 99 percent or even more of the world population ......
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MH2
climber
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Dec 30, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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Now that you mention it, he does seem to be watching TV.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 30, 2012 - 01:09am PT
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Latest Gallup Poll shows that:
Sorry Mr. Donini (still can't bring myself to call you Jim), I do not believe in the Gallup Poll.
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Dec 30, 2012 - 01:09am PT
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I self learned myself.
(humorous interlude)
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I suppose the older I get, the more interested I am in living in the moment. kinda zen. the rest, I really just don't know about. doesn't really seem to affect me either way in the long run.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Dec 30, 2012 - 01:11am PT
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Evolution works perfectly well--under the assumption of a few key "miracles" thrown into the biologic mix...
...should make BOTH sides content--but, usually doesn't
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 30, 2012 - 02:15am PT
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Belief in evolution
Third world, baby, third world...
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 30, 2012 - 03:22am PT
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What a bunch of whiners. These are surely strange times, but does the bickering really matter? Get on with getting on. And along.
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