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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 29, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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Latest Gallup Poll shows that:
47% of Americans believe in creationism
32% believe in thiestic evolution.....now there is an interesting concept
and only 15% believe in evolution without divine intervention
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
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'N Jim:
Morbidly Obese = The new:
"I know I am somewhat over weight"
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
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we are witnessing "devolution"
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
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Talking monkeys with opposable thumbs.
Some are just dumber than others is all.
The real problem is that we as a species no longer kill the dumb ones off at birth.
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John M
climber
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
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My God.. this is suppose to be a climbers forum. You should be talking about climbing. Have you no respect?
just pulling your leg there Jim. :-)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
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Tried the climbing stuff but it seemed off topic
80% of Europeans accept evolution
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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It doesn't matter how many people think anything, Ignorance is Ignorance.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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It isn't like this stuff isn't taught in Universities.
There is ignorance and there is willful ignorance.
The former is understandable, but almost non-applicable to Americans.
The latter is unforgiveable, and applicable to most Americans. I bring this up on the religion vs. science thread, but it has become a Christian vs. Science thread since Largo got hurt.
Ignorance: Sadaam Hussein was harboring Al Qaida. Truth: This was totally false, as well as the yellowcake Uranium and every other lie that Colin Powell told the United Nations.
Ignorance: Mt. St. Helens released more CO2 than a hundred years worth of cars:
30 second google search will lead you to the United States Geological Survey which turns that statement to dirt. I'll even post it so the other willfully ignorant people will see it.
Truth:
Do the Earth’s volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? Research findings indicate that the answer to this frequently asked question is a clear and unequivocal, “No.” Human activities, responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions in 2010 (Friedlingstein et al., 2010), release an amount of CO2 that dwarfs the annual CO2 emissions of all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes (Gerlach, 2011).
The published estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year (Gerlach, 1991; Varekamp et al., 1992; Allard, 1992; Sano and Williams, 1996; Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998). The preferred global estimates of the authors of these studies range from about 0.15 to 0.26 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO2 emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO2 emission estimates. It is 135 times larger than the highest preferred global volcanic CO2 estimate of 0.26 gigaton per year (Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998).
In recent times, about 70 volcanoes are normally active each year on the Earth’s subaerial terrain. One of these is Kīlauea volcano in Hawaii, which has an annual baseline CO2 output of about 0.0031 gigatons per year [Gerlach et al., 2002]. It would take a huge addition of volcanoes to the subaerial landscape—the equivalent of an extra 11,200 Kīlauea volcanoes—to scale up the global volcanic CO2 emission rate to the anthropogenic CO2 emission rate. Similarly, scaling up the volcanic rate to the current anthropogenic rate by adding more submarine volcanoes would require an addition of about 360 more mid-ocean ridge systems to the sea floor, based on mid-ocean ridge CO2 estimates of Marty and Tolstikhin (1998).
There continues to be efforts to reduce uncertainties and improve estimates of present-day global volcanic CO2 emissions, but there is little doubt among volcanic gas scientists that the anthropogenic CO2 emissions dwarf global volcanic CO2 emissions.
Ten minutes from now this will be forgotten. Too many big words or something.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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Ron, 82% of Buddhists believe in evolution, along with 45% of Muslims
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
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It's a really strange dichotomy. For much of twentieth century, the US led the world in science. Young people from everywhere else lined up to get into US universities because that was where the best science was.
And yet, somehow, at the same time, the US also led the first world in ignorance. It's almost as if there are two entirely separate USAs that have somehow become mixed up in this universe.
Most of you on this forum have lived your entire lives in the US, and can have no idea what it is like to come to your country from pretty much any other first-world country. How does someone who is surrounded by -- whose entire life is based on -- the wonders of science believe that a supernatural magic being created the world in seven days? Or any of the other crazy sh#t?
How can they turn on a light switch and still believe what they believe?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
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two seperate usa's, .....wow this just in. bruce kay,you play hockey?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
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My God.. this is suppose to be a climbers forum. You should be talking about climbing. Have you no respect?
Hey bub - I f'ing mentioned monkeys and thumbs - if that ain't climbing related what is.
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
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Where do you stand Jim?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:15pm PT
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I wonder if people will be as aggressive in defending their God as they are about their guns?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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Hey now - don't be dissing TV - bringing this pablum to the masses is what pays my bills these days.
I am amazed in how much TV fills the lives of the average Joe American these days. Rich or poor, one TV or 20 (including the bathroom) - my customers freak the f out if they are down for even 24 hours.
From the jock sniffing sports fanatics to the news junkies - all are plugged in but few if any have an original thought left in their shrunken heads.
Ignorance is not simply stupidity - it really involves the lack of the ability to construct your own logic in the face of falsity.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
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If we're so dumb how come we're all rich?
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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Americans are puffed up as#@&%es who all think they're smart because they have some rubber stamped degree from some school.
Then you hand them a screw driver or shovel and tell em to do something they stand there looking stupid.
Instead they have to tweet some fool about what some stupid celebrity is doing.
Nothing gets done since they spend all the money wasting time thinking and speculating about what to do for months and years never doing it.
WE are so smart they say and we do nothing.
Give the job to the uneducated they say since we are so smart.
Stupid Americans.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
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Creationism? Evolution? Creation of evolution?
Come on everyone know its really....
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
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Give the job to the uneducated they say since we are so smart.
I know that guy. lol
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