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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
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Cragman, do you climb with a gun? Where does a climber wear a gun? Have you ever shot a gun while climbing?
If you and Flanders come climbing fast beneath me and want to pass, will you use your gun to enforce your will?
If the campers next to you are making a ruckus and keeping you awake, do a few rounds through the offenders tent fly shut them up?
If some local punks get aggressive, do you inwardly think "try me motherf*#ker, I'm carrying a gun and won't hesitate to shoot you in your unchristian face!"
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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Karodrinker,
Yup. You nailed it. The gun is used for everything.
If my nuts itch, I blow them off with my .357.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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Ron - not sure a bunch of weapons, in the hands of amateurs, in a dark theater is a good idea. When Rep Gifford got shot in Tucson there was a guy there with a concealed weapon drawn and ready to shoot. He almost shot the guy who picked up the handgun Loughner dropped. He also ran the risk of himself getting shot by the police.
Statistically the odds are that a gun is more likely to kill an acquaintance before it ever stops a crime.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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Where'd you get that statistic? It doesn't sound logical to me.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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If there is so much crime there Crag, why aren't you stopping it with your gun?! I mean what the hell is going on? With great power comes great responsibility. Pull out your piece and get to work!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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Only once was my life ever threatened by other people, and if I had a gun with me I would probably be dead too. Luckily I was able to run away. My best defense is: I can run faster than most people. Defense #2 = law license. With these superior defenses I don't need a gun. I can't even imagine a situation where I would need to shoot someone.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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I live in a small mountain town as well, and of late, we've had a significant rise in burglaries and meth-related crime. For the first time in my life, I'm in strong consideration of having a gun in the home (& good training to go along with it).
I have a very good friend who has 20+ years with the Medford Sheriff's Dept...my wife has a colleague with 20+ years with LAPD...there is a local resident we know who is retired LAPD...interestingly, every well-experienced LE person I've talked with strongly recommends against a gun in the home.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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It would have taken an extremely well trained and disciplined shooter to do
any good in the dark maelstrom that theatre was. Most people who get concealed
permits probably would have made the situation worse. However, one good
shot would have fixed it.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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I have a lot of respect for those that carry a weapon but dont have to BLAB about it.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
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"every well-experienced LE person I've talked with strongly recommends against a gun in the home."
Every one of those LEOs keeps a gun in his house.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
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So other than blasting a bear, how many "Life threatening " situations have you used your gun for?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
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"Every one of those LEOs keeps a gun in his house."
You're 100% wrong, Chaz.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 20, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
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I'm fine with conceal carry and responsible folks carrying firearms.
Part of growing up in Alaska with two parents who enjoyed shooting.
There are some serious issues with using it in self defense in this situation. Basically your best bet is to exit nearly instantly or get cover. You don't a have a team with you that can cover you so it is difficult to keep eyes on target.
It's dark confusing and happens very fast. About the only way a guy with a concealed weapon will have a good shot is if he took cover pulled his weapon and the guy walked around the corner into him ..A few other scenarios could work as well but all involve a bit of luck... If it happens, great, shoot the f*#ker.
But here is another issue what if several people do the same thing?
None wear Uniforms and it is not easy to determine who is a good guy and who is a bad guy ..As mentioned in the story about the congresswoman.
Concealed carry is a serious responsibility as is the handling of firearms at any time. Self defense takes a lot of training to be effective and even then luck plays a part.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
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How many crag? you tote that gun with you everywhere, how many times have you used it to save yourself?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 20, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
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Do you ever buckle your seatbelt? Everywhere you go?
How many head-on wrecks has it ever saved you from?
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
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I do, and have been hit by other vehicles.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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Every time there's another horrific shooting, it's amazing how quickly and predictably the pro-gun contingent goes onto the offense.
It's sad how lost the actual tragedy is, and how events like this are quickly used to suit one's own interests.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jul 20, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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Karo do you know anything about guns? Have you ever shot one?
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 20, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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Guns are the worst invention the world has ever seen. So many lives lost, so much pain caused.
Yet so glorified.
F*#k Guns.
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