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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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I don't see why you find those statements at odds. Appreciating female strengths doesn't have anything to do with whether or not women climb harder than men, IMO. You don't have to be strongest to be strong, interesting, and inspiring.
I don't want to buy a magazine that only has stories by men about men writing about stuff that men care about. (Thankfully, they are not like that anymore.) If the top dude of the day does 15b and the top woman has only done 15a, I still want to hear about the woman...and mostly I want to hear about climbing (men and women) in contexts that have little or nothing to do with 5.15s.
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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I think it was a great shot. What’s wrong with fit woman showing a bit on a hot day? What would they wish her to do wear a long sleeve shirt? That crag is a cooker in the Spring and summer at times. I guess I don’t get it?
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part-time communist
Mountain climber
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All the power to this Rikke chick, any opportunity to torture and taunt men is a good thing!!!
having big boobs pretty much certifies your all around success, especially for biological activities.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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@ 10b4me
so what problem was she working?
 If I recall something like Hand to Hand Combat… But I could be way wrong, and I don't have the guide available at this time
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Face it. Male climbers, and the magazines, have been totally insecure about this stuff ever since Lynn Hill freed the Nose of El Capitan. And that was a few years before Ms. Ishoy was a cover girl.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Some sh!t in the news today said that 1/3 of the women in Briton I think it was (maybe I'm wrong about the country) but anyway ... they would trade their IQ for bigger boobs.
It was an online survey so...
42% of the woman respondents were men.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2012 - 12:36am PT
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I think the most interesting thing still is what people tell themselves when they look at that and other pics like it. The pic doesn't speak. It's all projection.
JL
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sempervirens
climber
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Melissa, You wrote, "I don't want to buy a magazine that only has stories by men about men writing about stuff that men care about". You're choosing the stories based on the gender of the author. Isn't that sexist, in the literal meaning of the word. Can't men write articles about things, including women climbers, that you'd be interested in? You'll never know if you judge them before reading them because they aren't the gender you choose. That's why prejudice is boned-headed, because you claim to be interested but then make choices based on prejucided notions. How can anyone determine what men care about. That's a very large group of people to judge all at once based only on gender. Maybe some men care about other things that you didn't think they care about. Maybe women care about the same things. Is that the equality you women (facetious emphasis on the hippocratic phrase, you women) are seeking? Maybe some men want to see barriers broken too, but you make it more difficult for them because you're too busy stereotyping them. That is prejudice.
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sempervirens
climber
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I'll have to agree with Largo's comment above. If it's your own perception, can that really be anybody else's responsibility?
If those who took offense with the photo interpret it to be exploitative aren't those same people perpetuating the exploitation? If they all interpretted it differently would it still succeed in its exploitation? Is it possible the offended ones need this exploitation? I think the offended ones are attached to their feelings and that prevents them (and in some other ways I too suffer these unnecessary attachments) from clearly seeing themselves.
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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After reading this thread I come to believe Perhaps these days woman in some cases are more sexist than men. I mean it was the girls going how dare her for wearing such a thing. She was ether just hot and sweaty or just showing off. I’m of the opinion, which if that’s the case, so what? I shared the shot with my wife it was her option if it was women objecting to the shot they were more than likely fat and out of shape and jealous. Man! Are woman hard on each other or what?
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Down-blouse type photos of women climbing is the industry standard. They should be behind the lens too, if they want more parity.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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sempervirens wrote:
Can't men write articles about things, including women climbers, that you'd be interested in?
Actually I'm sure Melissa would agree with this.
Her sentence had a couple of typos, so I wouldn't treat what she wrote so literally/exactly.
It seems clear to me that what she meant was:
"I don't want to buy a magazine which considers its only audience to be men."
And as she stated, the mags already figured this out and target a broader audience now.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
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Much ado about nothing both then and now...
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pFranzen
Boulder climber
Portland, OR
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I got a similar response to my cover of Urban Climber a few years back:
It wasn't the same degree of uproar that Rikke's picture caused (which, for the record, I had taped to the inside of my locker in high-school), but I was still surprised to hear people bitching about it.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Speaking of seeing what we want...
Thanks, for clarifying, Clint.
I find it interesting that a bunch of guys have come out to defend against some outrage that came and went 15 years ago. Is anyone still back there? Women in bikinis are all over the magazines and NO ONE CARES because they are getting more coverage for being strong and interesting people.
pFranzen...I just saw yours. Did you really get outrage over that from more than a person or two? I believe you if you say you did, it just seems like a very dime-a-dozen angle (male and female) these days.
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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What, nice boldering shots!
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Remember what a sh#t storm that shot caused?
I vaguely remember - that was an awfully long time ago!
What I remember about my own reaction was appreciation of a beautiful, fit woman climbing.
But I also remember thinking that the choice of that particular shot by the editors was not similar in style to the vast majority of shots of men climbers on the covers at that time, and that it was a good marketing ploy. Like Clint says, sex sells, and she was (is) a sexy woman.
Phyl
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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In the end I'm for anything that makes people feel the stoke and that doesn't demean or make others feel wanting in the process. The reason the Rikke shot was excoriated improperly, IMO, is that Cory Rich say a hot girl bouldering and took a shot. We did all the rest ourselves.
Oh, the humanity . . . .
JL
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Besides being a hot shot, there was an undefinable something about that shot that just caught your attention.
Somehow I inherited a 11x16 (or so) pencil drawing that did a good job of recreating that shot. I figured I'd send it to her if I knew how to reach her so sell it to somebody who salivated over the original
Whoever drew it must have been quite motivated by the original shot
Peace
Karl
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