Who took a dump on top of Headstone?????????????

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sethsquatch76

Trad climber

Joshua tree ca

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2012 - 09:53am PT

Awesome pics Chaz! What a unusual perspective of a place I have visited so many times......

This is a bigger issue than this one turd. This has to do with climbing gyms, education, and understanding (respect) for wild places. Headstone just barely qualifies, but that was a seriously disrespectful maneuver! My wife was guiding at Atlantis yesterday and found a stinky one there as well. Middle of the trail, with torrents of TP wrapped around the surrounding bushes.

Please educate everyone you know about how to properly poop in the woods. I like the smear technique myself........ And please, please, please either pack out or burn your TP!!!!!!!!!

One of my favorite quotes " There is a special place in hell for those that leave their TP on the ground"

Seth Zaharias
http://www.cliffhangerguides.com

jfailing

Trad climber

Lone Pine

Feb 22, 2012 - 10:03am PT

Yeah I noticed the poopy stain two weekends ago when I was up there. Pretty ridiculous...

Could it really have been an accident? There seemed to be TP there too - unless they crapped and had somebody bring TP up to them, they would have had to bring it up with them while they were climbing... Who does that?

Regardless, very lame and gross.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 22, 2012 - 10:09am PT

This has to do with climbing gyms

And you know this how?
Answer: You don't.

Probably one of your buddies who knew you would be up there, leaving you a calling card.

sethsquatch76

Trad climber

Joshua tree ca

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2012 - 10:25am PT

I apologize if my comment came off as slanderous to gym climbers. However this is either a blatant act of disrespect or a uneducated urban climber that didn't know any better. Period.

NO ONE I ASSOCIATE WITH WOULD HAVE DONE THIS!

All I am saying is our sport is growing, rapidly as are the piles of human waste. We need to do better and I believe it is our job to educate the newbies. Or don't and climbing areas will be closed!

WBraun

climber

Feb 22, 2012 - 10:38am PT

sethsquatch76

Maybe it was coming out right then and there with no time to get down.

What do want the person to do? Sh#t in their pants?

Besides sh!t happens sometimes.

Quit yer stupid whining .....you sound like a girl.

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Feb 22, 2012 - 10:47am PT

seth makes a good point, but unfortunately i think we're far from any kind of consensus on how to go about it. in the absence of that, noobs do what noobs do, and so do sociopaths. c'mon into town and check out some of the freeway maneuvers.

i bought this book when it first came out:

http://books.google.com/books/about/How_to_shit_in_the_woods.html?id=xTA72GxFjasC

but i have to agree with the first reviewer here, who says,

"This is an easy book to read, but there's not a great deal of useful information: it all comes down to 'bag it up', i.e. bring your mess home with you rather than leaving it on/in the ground ..."

how you sh#t in the woods depends on the woods. the northwoods of wisconsin, where i was born, was a great place to do it anywhere. now i live in l.a. where it seldom rains and there are hardly enough bugs around to get rid of the stuff. one poop puts the local insect population on overload.

now, where i go hiking on rocky peak, the rangers have notices up for dog owners to pick up after their dogs when they walk the wild ridgeline between san fernando and simi valley. dog poop, they're told, is different from coyote poop (yes, i can see that) and will have bad effects on the environment (i have a hard time seeing that--this environment is so stressed and altered anyway it's gotta be the smallest of factors).

i think we get a lot of quasi-environmentalism from officialdom which comes down to us without public debate and scientific consensus. chief rangers have a lot of interests tugging them in different directions, and they seem allergic to getting the public involved in policy making. at the boy scout trailhead in josh, there's an informational display about microbic life and how it gets disturbed just by taking a walk over an area that hasn't been walked over since white man showed up. i guess red man's feet were somehow different? will the next step be: don't step off the trail? but just think about all the invisible contamination you're bringing to the trail itself, which will then spread far and wide. better to stay away altogether.

btw, i did learn one thing from kathleen meyer's book. she worked as a river guide, and if you can find a rounded stone, it makes a great wipe.

oh, and beware of burning your TP, especially in southern california. i heard someone started a pretty bad fire in the san bernardinos that way.

j-tree

Big Wall climber

Classroom to crag to summer camp

Feb 22, 2012 - 11:06am PT

Seems like if the poop is prairie dogging and you've got no time, you either poop your pants of poop on the rock. Choose the latter and you've also chosen to pack it out.

Thus, if you choose not to pack it out, then you have to defer to the former choice and poop in your pants.

Easier to throw your pants and underwear under a faucet (or trashcan) than it is to hose down Headstone.

Killer K

Boulder climber

Sacramento, CA

Feb 22, 2012 - 11:13am PT

I dont know whats more funny the FACT that this is a joke or the lame people that are serious about pooping! It is a joke right? If not taking a dump on rocks that are climbed is unsanitary and poor planning. Great thread!

Gene

climber

Feb 22, 2012 - 11:25am PT

A wag bag weighs about 2 oz. and takes up little space.

Be prepared.

g

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Feb 22, 2012 - 11:29am PT

Routes I've pooped on (and carried it up, and out):

E. Ridge Russell
E. Face Whitney
NW. Face Half Dome
WF. Leaning Tower
Tangerine Trip
Long Climb
White Maidens Walkway
N. Ridge Conness
Spaceshot
Frogland

I.... I have issues.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 22, 2012 - 12:03pm PT

There is really only one person who could have snuck up there and done that.

hint; canadian, no chest hair,...

just saying.

apogee

climber

Feb 22, 2012 - 12:12pm PT

I'm still saying this seems pre-meditated. Ferchrissakes, who the hell would bring TP with them when climbing Headstone? Did they bring bivy gear, too?

Wait...maybe that's it...someone bivyed up there (for whatever reason), and found themselves rapidly crowning...

Whatever...it's lame...but how such a thing happened makes one wonder...

Sagebrush Sally

Trad climber

Joshua Tree, Ca

Feb 22, 2012 - 12:28pm PT

There's no way on earth there was any accident about it.

It's a single pitch climb, it's not like they were up there all day and got caught needing to take a dump on a belay.

If they were climbing and suddenly needed to poop, then they could have just lowered off and pooped in one of the thousands of holes in the rocks surrounding the base, then got back on.

But no, they brought toilet paper and left it in a shitty pile on the top of a classic climb. If it was an "emergency" then they should have cleaned up after themselves, not left their disgusting fecal matter and excessive use of toilet paper as a biohazard for the rest of us. I just can't possibly see how there was anything remotely innocent about this particular pile of sh#t.

And I call bullshit on anyone who says otherwise.

apogee

climber

Feb 22, 2012 - 01:08pm PT

Out of curiosity, did you do anything to clean it up?

No judgement...wouldn't blame you if you didn't...just curious...

mucci

Trad climber

The pitch of Bagalaar above you

Feb 22, 2012 - 01:17pm PT

Parter left a steamer, obscured by a grand cairn like structure on P2 ledge of Nutcracker.

Zee Germans who spent 2 hours climbing the arch/corner start, upon reaching the ledge, promptly yelled

"Scheissen"

Over and over, then bailed.

Parter turns to me

"Pansy Euros"

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Feb 22, 2012 - 01:19pm PT

ah'v achieved perfect biological harmony.
ah eat no more than my muscles can convert.
no waste.
whatsoever.

after a big meal i gotta get,
so's to keep ahead of the digestion,
i can tell though,
my body issues hints as to when
it starts fillin the bowels.
i pick up my pace and start
punching myself in the face
as i run down and up my driveway,
the neighbors could give a hell
for watchin the superbowl on tv
because the neighbor is
owt makin his antics.

i drink lighty beers and piss all over
routes,
but never since 1998 have i shite.
on a route, or off.