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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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John E, perhaps you are the exception that proves the rule. After all, I
believe you have demonstrated some modicum of critical thinking despite
what Dr F says.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Wish I could make it. I'll try to check out the podcast.
Any news on a stata 12 book?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Well, I drafted chapter 1 this weekend. Only 16 more to go!
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Chiloe,
I'm not sure we have met.
I was talking to Jimmy Dunn recently, and he sends his regards.
Best, Steve Arsenault
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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steveA:
I'm not sure we have met.
We did at least once, way long ago. My recollection is that we climbed Split Pinnacle? And jumped over a rattlesnake on the hike down.
And regards back to Jimmy from me!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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college major in science?
that interests me.
is it up? are are you still presenting? if it's up, could you send me a link or a cite? pm is fine if u don't want it sprayed in the thread.
tx
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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klk, there's some discussion of the counter-intuitive college major results in this 2008 paper, 2nd paragraph on p.677 and also endnote 2. In another paper currently out for review, we replicate with newer data.
The real takeaway from the 2008 paper was Figure 4, if you haven't seen that before.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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Still waiting on podcast details. Keep checking in for that. I'll get it up as soon as I receive it.
Sorry for the confusion...University of Colorado Denver=UCD in my world... and I was limited on the title length. Glad you didn't make the trip to UC Davis JE. :)
The current room can handle only about 50 folks. The RSVPs are important in that if we get to 50ish folks, we'll move to a larger room on the 2nd floor. So if you are attending, please be sure to RSVP.
Sounds like some folks are wanting to head out afterward for HH and/or dinner. There are tons of excellent places within a couple of blocks. Two blocks to Larimer Square. Two blocks to 16th street mall with free bus shuttle. Wish I didn't have to teach that night. :/
Cool on the book Chiloe. It'd likely be a bit a pain to travel with them anyway.
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cowpoke
climber
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I'll just bring sheer charisma. How large is this room? I love it!
Will there be a live stream?
Saw Arne Duncan give a talk on Monday -- beyond addressing those of us in the room, he was answering twitter questions while live streaming.
Could be fun to have a ST thread running parallel to the stream...I'd throw you a couple softballs like: Did you adjust for within-region correlated errors? And, if so, at what level (e.g., state, county, census block)?
edit: yeah, should have read a little closer about the podcast -- very cool!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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There will be a live podcast.
Unresolved questions are whether there will be time to take questions from on-line viewers or not. I've also asked if we could tape this and make it available online so anyone can watch at their leisure. Last time we did that, the video was way dark, but the powerpoint and voice came through nicely.
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213
climber
Where the Froude number often >> 1
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Yikes! Lots of freaky stuff in there...
Re: Results for Question 1: How much do you understand about
global warming or climate change issues?
As the report mentions, that IS an awful lot of people who think they understand a challenging topic.
To say that you understand complex, nonlinear fluid and thermodynamics on a rotating, differentially heated spheroid composed of two rather different fluids and a few fun solids is a BIT of a stretch for most, in my humble opinion.
Science (if you can call it that) in today's world is completely hindered by politics and people thinking they understand things that they have nary a concept of. The report nicely demonstrates these facts.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
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Great post 213.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Science (if you can call it that) in today's world is completely hindered by politics and people thinking they understand things that they have nary a concept of. The report nicely demonstrates these facts.
Any report that makes this claim is just plain bunk!
(full metal sarcasm intended)
Good on ya Chiloe/Dr Hamilton!
Crimpie, thanks for this posting.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Is it possible to change the title of this thread? Chiloe is NOT presenting on any "climate change research" whatsoever. Rather, he's apparently going to say what he thinks other people think about (so-called) "climate change."
And another thing. Some joker wrote:
Science (if you can call it that) in today's world is completely hindered by politics and people thinking they understand things that they have nary a concept of. The report nicely demonstrates these facts.
Funny what this guy (another "scientist," I'm sure) thinks a "fact" is.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Sounds very interesting, and I'll definitely attend. I'm been facinated by this subject for some time. I conduct my own, informal survey when I talk to people I know. I've found, that if you know ahead of time that somebody votes republican, there is about 90% that the person strongly doubts or completely disparages the idea of human-caused climate change. It's really quite amazing.
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cowpoke
climber
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Unresolved questions are whether there will be time to take questions from on-line viewers or not. When I've seen it done well, one or two on-line questions were treated as the "last question," and a good grad student who was assigned to weed through on-line questions -- trained to look for high-quality skeptic or practical significance questions -- steps to the mic when cued: "Our first on-line question comes from..."
Regardless of whether or not you can do the online questions, very cool to have the live podcast.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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M of K, for my informal survey, would you happen to be a Republican?
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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I feel sympathy for people working climate research. Everything is scrutinized politically.
Why? Well if it is indeed caused by human activities, that would lead to the necessity of using fewer fossil fuels, which will be expensive.
I remember hearing Rush Limbaugh on global warming about 15 years ago. He was responding to some caller.
Went kind of like this:
"Forget about it. It doesn't exist."
People buy into that. The real way to think is to just watch the science play out. Unfortunately, even scientists can be whacky.
I have a geologist friend who is rabidly conservative. I am not that far out there. So we run into each other at the market last week. He says that he saw something on the Drudge Report about how we are entering an ice age.
Dude is a petroleum geologist. I told him that I liked to get my info from peer reviewed publications rather than Drudge (which I checked out when I got home).
So I have it easy. I work all day with super smart people. Some extremely religious. We work rocks that are hundreds of millions of years old. Nobody gets on our ass. We find oil and gas, and it is a little too complicated for a high school biology textbook.
The world is old. Get over it. If you read polls, though, most people don't think that the earth is billions of years old.
It isn't like anyone has found a fossil skull or key chain inside a Devonian rock, ya know. And not for lack of looking.
Beliefs and physical evidence are quite often totally unrelated. People are content to live in a world of convenient falsehoods. It is like we prefer living in some sort of alternative universe of lies.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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M of K. . .lots of rhetoric, no substantiation. Scientists can
and have substantiated facts on climate change.
Put up or. . .
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
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The taking questions from the podcast is going to be a matter of 'is there enough time?' It may happen, I just haven't heard the official response from those in charge of tech here.
Glad some of you will make it. Should be a fun event.
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