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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
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Too bad it is the taxpayer who gets stuck with the bill for these power tripping LEO's. At most the only punishment this NP cop will get is a paid vacation and a comment on their monthly evaluation.
I'm glad all cops aren't so mentally defective.
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Vgavinator
Social climber
Ladera Ranch, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
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Damn
I thought this topic would entertain all you guys. But not this much.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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oh yeah, we love cop stories,
watch dragnet re-runs ecvery damn night,followed up by the D.I.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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So the area has become NPS territory only within the last month, and was off-leash friendly prior to that. Given the Bay-area heavy presence here, I'm a little surprised that this wasn't on the general radar. Wonder how many local dog owners were even aware that NPS had acquired the land and that their normal off leash pooch walking was now verboten?
Seems like a trigger happy nutjob of a Ranger who has no business carrying a weapon, lethal or non lethal. In fact, with the stellar judgement shown by said ranger, she should be dismissed from her position and assigned to at most, entrace booth duties.
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Vgavinator
Social climber
Ladera Ranch, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
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I do like CSI I must admit.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
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i almost got tooled by a female ranger over at bidwell park the other day,
she saw me takin a puff off the steam roller,
after the warning i got to tell her that her fly was down,
poor girl, couldn't let here walk around all day like that,
uni check guys,
be clean,
i guess i could have sued her for sexual harrassment
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Jan 31, 2012 - 03:30pm PT
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Fattrad- I love Chris Rock. But I believe we've all seen that clip around eleventy-billion times. Are you capable of posting anything original?
The Furry one.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Kirkwood, ca
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Jan 31, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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YOUR F*#KING STATE's RESIDENTS BEHAVIOUR IS WHAY THE HELL BEYOND TIRING!
Dude you're an idiot. Idaho sucks. But I am glad you live there.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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It wont matter in my new taser proof suit.
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ME Climb
climber
Behind the Orange Curtain
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Jan 31, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
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"choking someone out" is not illegal. The potential for it to be applied wrong is very high so most agencies have it right up there with deadly force. Basically Very bad things are going to happen if you don't apply it just right. Tasers are not deadly force. They have been abused and there are new case decisions that are limiting its use. Many of the policieOws require "active resistance" before it can be used and many say you must further justify the use on someone who is fleeing due to secondary injuries, those caused by someone falling when running.
You do not have to tell someone they are being detained. If someone tries to flee you do yell "Stop". And to detain someone you do not need probable cause (pc) you only need reasonable suspicion.
With the case described above, the ranger had pc to detain the guy. The violation of having dogs off leash is enough. Once he lied about his name that furthers the pc and makes you want to detain them further. As for telling if someone is giving you a false name when someone goes "umm my name is....." or "ummm I spell my name..." those are pretty good clues that someone is not telling the truth.
Based on what I have heard I would not have tased the person, but I would also rather just talk someone into handcuffs. To old to be fighting with every jack hole who doesn't want to go along with the problem. But in an NPS situation where your nearst follow is 20 plus minutes away you handle things differently.
My 2 cents for what it is worth
Eric
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jan 31, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
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Wonder how many local dog owners were even aware that NPS had acquired the land and that their normal off leash pooch walking was now verboten?
I'm sure the locals were well aware of it being transferred to the NPS from POST. POST bought the property around 10 years ago (if I remember correctly). There were plans for it to became a big development.
The yocals of Pacifica, Montara etc definitely know what is going on with their open space areas.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jan 31, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
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Kali ranger
Why do you have such a hard on for California?
Idaho is such a damn sh#t hole, and you've telling me California sucks?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 31, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
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[quote]Witnesses said the use of a stun gun and the arrest seemed excessive for someone walking two small dogs off leash.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/30/MN921N0LQT.DTL#ixzz1l5PClOwv[/quote]
He wasn't zapped for having two dogs off leash. He was zapped because he attempted to leave after being told he was being detained.
Also, they don't have to tell you why you are being detained, but he was being detained because he gave false identification to the police.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 31, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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I've started and even participated in more than my fair share of police brutality threads, and most of the time I think the police behavior is outrageous. But I'm not finding much to be outraged at here.
Even if you are being stopped for something stupid, don't give a false name. Don't leave when they tell you not to. You're better of telling them you are refusing to answer then giving a false name. Also, you can confirm that they are detaining you, but once you they tell you they are, you better stay there. They don't have to give any reason.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 31, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
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That was one crazy dood! What finally happened?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 31, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
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I thought the deputy was an idiot for not calling backup and letting himself get boxed in.
Edit: It goes without saying that the guy taking the video was an idiot.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 31, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
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When I was a kid in Chicago I run from the Po lice all the time.
I was faster than the wind.
They couldn't catch ....
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