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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 26, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
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Understood locker - "foisted on us by Government" (regardless of Party)...
I agree, a law banning incandescent bulb may not be the thing that's going to save the world, and certainly will not save America.
My point is that although it has been introduced.. Congress has yet to pass, Senate has yet to pass....
Does that mean that the bill is now law?
NO!!
So, if its not law, how can something be considered "foisted" upon us?
Second point: Who is doing the "foisting"? A republican. Yet another reason to never vote for the losers
Are there any other ways of looking at this where I am wrong?
Or am I wrong no matter what I write?
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
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CFLs are the worst spectrum? Poppycock. Maybe if you're fully baked!
Everyone looks like a ghost under LEB. I feel like I'm camping at home!
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buckie
Trad climber
Oregon
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:06pm PT
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If you want jobs don't buy GE brand, all made in Mexico by cuurent administrations economic development appointee. Occupy deregulated Mexico or China.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
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Federal legislation
In December 2007, many of these state efforts became moot when the federal government enacted the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which requires all general-purpose light bulbs that produce 310–2600 lumens of light[33] be 30% more energy efficient (similar to current halogen lamps) than then-current incandescent bulbs by 2012 to 2014. The efficiency standards will start with 100-watt bulbs in January 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.
Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage lighting, and plant lights.
By 2020, a second tier of restrictions would become effective, which requires all general-purpose bulbs to produce at least 45 lumens per watt (similar to current CFLs). Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.[34]
edit: President Bush signed this into law in Dec, 2007
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:12pm PT
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How many supertopians does it take to screw in a light bulb .....?
Just look at this thread and you'll see .....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:16pm PT
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Neanderthals never want change for the better. They are afraid of improved efficiency whether in auto MPG or LED lighting. Fighting tooth and nail to maintain an unsustainable status quo.
Why do you guys hate the planet Earth so?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:16pm PT
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Federal legislation
In December 2007, many of these state efforts became moot when the federal government enacted the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which requires all general-purpose light bulbs that produce 310–2600 lumens of light[33] be 30% more energy efficient (similar to current halogen lamps) than then-current incandescent bulbs by 2012 to 2014. The efficiency standards will start with 100-watt bulbs in January 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.
Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage lighting, and plant lights.
By 2020, a second tier of restrictions would become effective, which requires all general-purpose bulbs to produce at least 45 lumens per watt (similar to current CFLs). Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.[34] I'm gonna break something.
This is the same f*#king Federal Gov't that hasn't passed a balanced budget in 2 years??? And wants more money to spend????
The same Fed that wants to raise my taxes AND TELL ME WHAT F*#KING BULB I GOTTA BUY!!!!
The next election is going to be interesting....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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Bush was Pres in 2007 and signed into law
And Obama has cut your taxes even more than Bush did
And we have not had a balanced budget since Clinton,
who handed a deficit surplus to Bush
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
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How is "Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007"
What you stated it was earlier, which you wrote as:
"Dude, it was called the Bulb Act. Or in your case, the Dim Bulb Act.
Look it up."
You're a f*#ktard.
Lucky for you your brand of idiot is sweeping the nation. So, soon there will be more of you to contend with.
Moving on, f*#ktards unite behind the banner of fattard and skpitard, he knows whats best for all of us.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 26, 2011 - 01:28pm PT
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"LOL!!!...
"Facts are irrelevant"..."
Idiots win.
In any conversation, the idiot will always win. Even when facts show that the idiot is out of their element they will win.
Its a failure the reflects upon us all.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 26, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
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So the Republicans decided that we should use only dimbulbs? Seems typical. Most likely they're worried that someone will shine a strong light on them - it is, after all, the best disinfectant.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
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Be an American and buy a real bulb. All LED's are made outside of the US. Go to a Chinese LED factory... know what they are lighting the place with???? A USA incandescent bulb!!!!!!!!!!
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euro-brief-guy
Boulder climber
Auburn, ca
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Nov 26, 2011 - 02:48pm PT
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Yet another example of the government protecting me from myself.
Yeah LEDs....weak sauce.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 02:58pm PT
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Norton's a disengenuous fool. Who passed those Clinton budgets through Congress?
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/no-democrat-controlled-congress-has-balanced-federal-budget-40-years-no-republican
I'm gonna go score some incandescents. I think I'm going 100W. Prolly GE, but maybe Phillips. Depends what sweatshop they're made in.
Thanks, Greenies, we have no more jobs but you guys get to feel good about yourselves! Awesome!!!! I feel soooo good.
Dononi's ever-sweet environment is safe from right-wingers and in the hands of OWS idiots and lying fools.
Keep buying Prius' and CFL bulbs, Jim. If it makes you FEEL good.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 26, 2011 - 03:03pm PT
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Well, as climbers we can all be thankful for the invention of LED lights. Far lighter and brighter than most incandescent headlamps, with longer battery life. LED headlamps have made a huge difference - imagine, only ten years ago we all depended on the Petzl Zoom.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 26, 2011 - 03:05pm PT
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Fats lighting IS my business.
You should stick to being wrong since that is what you are good at.
Russ, many LEDs are manufactured in China only because the Repukes made off-shoring so advantageous to profit margins. But you might want to re-examine your statement that they are all made there.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Nov 26, 2011 - 03:09pm PT
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This thread is classic ST drivel! Russ gets the Troll of The Day award for this one.
Please post more!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 26, 2011 - 03:16pm PT
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Russ, many LEDs are manufactured in China only because the Repukes made off-shoring so advantageous to profit margins. But you might want to re-examine your statement that they are all made there.
Oh, really? It has nothing to do with unions/EPA regs/and corprate tax rates???
It's the Repubs fault, boo-f*#king-hoo.....you are a tired idiot if you really believe that.
(awesome holiday thread, Fish!)
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