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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
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Quality time...teaching your kid to use the toilet and letting them know it's okay if they don't get it right off the bat......listening to their beefs and trying to understand them...Bluey...i hope you don't call your kid an idiot...RJ
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:59pm PT
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Quality time...teaching your kid to use the toilet and letting them know it's okay if they don't get it right off the bat......listening to their beefs and trying to understand them...Bluey...i hope you don't call your kid an idiot...RJ
Maybe you can explain how that relates to this topic.
Are kids humping in elementary school?
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skywalker
climber
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:02pm PT
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Thanks for posting the photo, have not seen it. My daughter is going in for surgery next week. She is 2. I'm already nervous. Even if I had this Jedi Knight on my side I'd be nervous. What a miracle life is and what an amazing job he can do. The emotional side of becoming, and potentially not becoming a parent is beyond imagination until you are there.
However I'm not surprised but a little disheartened this is become a political football on this site. Its an amazing photo, amazing work, and pulls at my heartstrings thinking of those involved.
This shouldn't be a political football.
Cheers!
S...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:18pm PT
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The emotional side of becoming, and potentially not becoming a parent is beyond imagination until you are there.
May God bless your little child.
As for the above quote? You are totally correct. Noboby should be allowed to cooment unless you saw your kid get birthed from Mommies vagina.
It's not disgusting, but will make a grown man cry. It's f*#king beautiful.
It's LIFE being born.
You cannot describe it. You have to show up and see it.
Wow!!!!
Skywalker, dude, God bless your little child.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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Just sharing my view. I have been lucky enough to never have to face such an awful choice, but I feel such compassion for those who do. I know of no one that takes joy in an abortion.
True, there are likely some who use it a bit more flippantly than they should. But likely no more than males who carelessly shoot of their load anywhere without consideration of the potential life that act may lead to.
I think too that some people aren't aware of things like anacephalic babies and once they see and read, they understand (but maybe don't agree with) why some late-term abortions occur.
edit: And agreed, regardless of the actual moment and how it is described, the opening post offers a beautiful photo. Even people who haven't had children can see and feel that.
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skywalker
climber
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:26pm PT
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Thanks Bluering,
I think it'll be good. Just a parent worrying...
Cheers!
S...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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True, there are likely some who use it a bit more flippantly than they should. But likely no more than males who carelessly shoot of their load anywhere without consideration of the potential life that act may lead to.
Callie, I agree, but these are decision based f*#ks. Again, if idiots get pregged, then abort ASAP. Don't wait till the little guy can actually feel it when you suck him out and throw him into a HazMat bag!
I think too that some people aren't aware of things like anacephalic babies and once they see and read, they understand (but maybe don't agree with) why some late-term abortions occur.
There are obvious exceptions, Callie. Even right-winger Steve agrees with that. But you are apparently trying to muddy waters with excuses.
Bottom line? As I said before, after the first trimester, you're kinda lame.
That kid is alive. And has 'no-choice'. Mommy has the 'pro-choice'.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:36pm PT
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This thread has gone from the miracle of life to mommy's vagina to
shooting loads...
skywalker, best wishes for you and your daughter.
MP
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:45pm PT
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I'm not making excuses for anyone. I think you are reading into my posts thoughts that are not there.
My point is that for people facing some of these decisions, I chose to have compassion versus hatred. That is all. And I offered an example of why some chose to do this. That is all.
You are really really fortunate to have a healthy awesome little boy. I imagine many of the people who opted to have a late-term abortion because they faced something like an anacephalic baby would give anything to be like you.
edit: and let me add, since I hadn't mentioned it before, that many do not learn of this issue until their third trimester. That is the reason why it happens then.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
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Actually, Callie, I want another kid. I weighed my choices based on current science that says my wife has a hightened probability of a defective child.
Because I refuse to throw away a defective baby, we chose to not risk it. We may adopt an unwanted baby.
I am anti-abortion. But it should not be illegal. But late-term stuff id really questionable...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:56pm PT
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Good luck with a adopting a second child (if that is the route you ultimately decide to go).
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apogee
climber
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Sep 29, 2011 - 12:47am PT
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"Lame. This is what people do when they cannot converse."
Actually, bluering, that's the kind of response you get from otherwise thoughtful people who have had so many experiences trying to dialogue with someone who is completely closed-minded and blindered, that they just shrug their shoulders and post some trite response. You probably don't get that, but as someone who is usually your ideologic adversary, that's what it looks like.
In most ways, you are not open to considering the view of others unless they fit your ideology in some way, or in the event that the person is someone of a stature in ST that you have respect for, no matter what their view of the world. (That's called obsequious, and it's icky.)
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 29, 2011 - 02:29am PT
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Good word apogee--I had to look that one up.
In the climber's world it's practically an art, isn't it?
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Sep 29, 2011 - 10:18am PT
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From apogee:
Actually, bluering, that's the kind of response you get from otherwise thoughtful people who have had so many experiences trying to dialogue with someone who is completely closed-minded and blindered, that they just shrug their shoulders and post some trite response. You probably don't get that, but as someone who is usually your ideologic adversary, that's what it looks like.
In most ways, you are not open to considering the view of others unless they fit your ideology in some way, or in the event that the person is someone of a stature in ST that you have respect for, no matter what their view of the world. (That's called obsequious, and it's icky.)
We gotta frame that one. A top contender for the most ironic and hypocritical post on ST.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 29, 2011 - 10:45am PT
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skywalker, good luck and best wishes. My 2 year old has a fever and that's enough to worry, I can't imagine surgery.
Bluering, I am impressed with your open mindedness on this issue. I think a lot of response towards pro-lifers is caused by the most vocal pro-lifers being inflexible and wanting ALL abortion prohibited and the tactics they are using in their agenda. I agree that it's a lame form of birth control, but accidents do happen (never to me I'm lucky to never had to make that choice, I carefully shoot my load) and I think a terminated first term pregnancy is probably better than an unwanted/neglected child. Good for you thinking about age and risk and adoption.
Mangy Peasant, Roe V Wade had some case challenges regarding that very ability to survive question (viability) and the first trimester. It was modified from a specific time frame to more general wording allowing changes in technology to help younger babies survive out of the womb.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 29, 2011 - 12:02pm PT
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I like Bluey, he's a nice guy who's became a good father--perhaps his flexibility as a "righty" stems from his pre-marriage hippie days as a "lib"...
...happens more than you think
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 29, 2011 - 12:09pm PT
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you say "flopped out"; i say "reached out"
libs can't admit the possibility of the baby (oops, fetus) having the capacity to reach even though we all know babies (oops, fetuses) are "kicking" by that stage...i wonder, will pro-abortion lib expectant mothers start saying "oh my, the 21-week fetus in my womb is having muscle spasms"? and will these same women mock the pro-life conservative expectant mother who says, "my 21-week baby is kicking, again"?
on the other hand, even if the arm did "flop" out of the womb, that does not change the fact that everyone can see that it's an arm and belongs to a human child
now, i'll ask again because i truly want to understand...
i have a good friend who is pro-choice and believes that a woman should have the right to abort her pregnancy up to the third trimester because prior to that time, it's "only a fetus and not a baby"; she also wants to have a baby; she has had a couple miscarriages...of course, i fully understand why she's devastated
on the other hand, i wonder why she's upset if her body simply expelled a "clump of cells"...she clearly doesn't see any contradictions in her belief that a first or second trimester pregnancy produces merely a clump of cells/fetus and her distress that her first trimester miscarriage caused her to "lose the baby"
for obvious reasons, i can't ask my friend to explain...can somebody who is pro-choice explain what i see as an irreconcilable contradiction?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 29, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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the other hand, i wonder why she's upset if her body simply expelled a "clump of cells"...she clearly doesn't see any contradictions in her belief that a first or second trimester pregnancy produces merely a clump of cells/fetus and her distress that her first trimester miscarriage caused her to "lose the baby"
It is simple bookworm. It is about potential. In terms of aborting, it is a clump of cells that has the potential to be a baby, but isn't one yet. This also goes for wanting to have a child, but losing it to a miscarriage. It may not be a baby yet, but it has that potential, plus it has all that investment of time and energy and desire. So it is a loss to a mother who wants to have a child.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 29, 2011 - 12:19pm PT
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^^^^(bookworm)Seeee....
I told you the pro-lifer wingnuts would love that kind of stuff....
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jstan
climber
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Sep 29, 2011 - 12:23pm PT
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The newborn chimpanzee is helpless, with only a weak grasping reflex and needing support from the mother's hand during travel. Within a few days it clings to the mother's underside without assistance and begins riding on her back at 5-7 months. By 4 years of age the infant travels mostly by walking, but stays with its mother until at least 5-7 years old.
Very young homo sapiens also develop a strong grasp.
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