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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2011 - 12:00am PT
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Let's take a group of people, sh#t all over them, make sure there is no hope for a better future, then get all pissy when they react.
bluering, how do you live with yourself?
What do I owe to black-American youths right now? What have I deprived of them?
And why do Asian-Americans not have this problem when they have less time in-country?What about Indians (from India)???
Why is there a difference?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2011 - 12:04am PT
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If we cut it in half, will we lose half of the service?
It's a cost benefit question. It is the same for any government function.
The fact that the size and cost of our military dwarfs all of our potential adversaries combined is a pretty good indicator that the cost may exceed the benefit.
Agree and disagree.
Cut Euro bases to nothing, almost, cut some spending programs. But the reason we dwarf all adversaries is because we learned a large lesson in WWII, that we almost didn't win.
Be prepared. And be ready to wipe ANYBODY off the f*#king map if you have to with the least human cost.
That's why.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2011 - 09:21pm PT
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This thread has relevance to the hoodlums in London.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 11, 2011 - 12:42am PT
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What do I owe to black-American youths right now? What have I deprived of them?
The same thing you and your Republican masters have denied to most of America: the ability to work fruitfully and make a better life for their children. Your Republican masters, and their Wall Street masters have sold us out to the commies you hate so much. And you keep voting for them.
bluering, you're a good guy and all, but catch a f*#king clue, dude!
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Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
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Aug 11, 2011 - 01:29am PT
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I'd love to hear Maysho chime in on this topic but the polarity doesn't inspire much meaningful dialogue.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 11, 2011 - 08:20pm PT
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The tax revenue charts on the heritage site are complete fabrications - this is the only chart you need to see:
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 11, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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I don't know if you understand the difference between tax-rates and taxes actually paid. One of my ideas is to plug loopholes and slightly lower the corporate tax-rates.
Would probably result in more revenues and more incentive to do business here instead of offshore.
We DO have the 2nd highest corporate tax-rate in the world behind Japan. And many US companies dodge their fair share because the rates are so high. Wouldn't you?
Your edit proves my point even more....
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 11, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
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I don't know if you understand the difference between tax-rates and taxes actually paid.
Yes, I in fact do understand the difference.
And many US companies dodge their fair share because the rates are so high. Wouldn't you?
US corporate boardrooms and management are by and large populated with republicans. These guys do everything humanly possible to dodge taxes on one hand and spout off about patriotism on the other - ya gotta love the hypocrisy.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 11, 2011 - 08:41pm PT
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These guys do everything humanly possible to dodge taxes on one hand and spout off about patriotism on the other - ya gotta love the hypocrisy.
That's my point! They are taxed very heavily! Obviously they'll try to avoid it through tax-tricks. Close the loopholes. Flat corporate tax, baby!
Sully, I hear ya about the tiger-moms!!!! They go a bit too far...to put it lightly. I was making a wider comparison. The Asian and Indians may go too far sometimes. Somewhere in the middle is middle-Americans.
But my point is a larger one. There are no middle-class jobs like there used to be. They have been shipped overseas to exploit cheap labor for profits.
And I ain't really anti-business, but there needs to be some changes.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 12, 2011 - 06:13am PT
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They are taxed very heavily!
No, tax receipts show just the opposite - they are not taxed heavily, and that is by their own choice and design. Those republicans dominating the corporate world don't give a flying f*#k about America or its people - they only care about money. They will resist any changes to the tax code as this one was designed for them to f*#k the average guy (see chart above).
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:29am PT
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Are you talking about outsourcing? If so, I'd agree. That was the biggest job-killer the past 20-30 years. But it's not a Repub thing.
I agree, but the GOP is the voice of the radical Wall Streeters. The Democrats believe in at least tossing a crumb off the table now and again.
How would you encourage American companies to bring factory/manufacturing jobs back here?
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours first.
For starters:
How about not giving tax breaks to companies that move their jobs overseas? How about giving tax breaks to companies that move jobs back, or keep them here?
That Democratic proposal was squashed by the GOP earlier this year. What are your thoughts on that?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 06:33pm PT
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Bump, hoping bluey will answer my question.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2011 - 07:22pm PT
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Gary, see my 2012 elections thread for my reply. We are off-topic on this thread...
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 07:24pm PT
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We're not off topic. I was answering a question you raised on a thread that you started!
edit:
Just popped over to that thread, didn't see anything relevant.
So what did you think of the Republicans killing that job saving bill?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Aug 16, 2011 - 06:28pm PT
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Looks like the transformation of "flash mobs" from middle-class kids having pillow fights to hoodlums on crime sprees is in full swing.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/16/maryland.flash.mob/index.html
It is an unpleasant reality that there seems to be inescapable racial element involved in this . . . I suppose we can continue to "blame the messenger" by accusing anyone who makes note of this as a racist or whatever.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Aug 16, 2011 - 08:48pm PT
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You can study Bush Alaska, none of those people were bought and sold, though the sub human treatment was implemented by the white protestents after the Alaska purchase in the 1800's. The wellfare state has existed for about 40 years now and hence a couple of generations.
The problem has nothing to do with race, you can pick any race and put them into a section 8 inner city environment and the results will be the same.
The issue is really quite simple, you take away a persons need to struggle to survive, you errode morals and you get animal like behaviour. It isn't socioeconomic either. There are plenty of middle class and rich kids that get into trouble and drugs. They just have mommies and daddies lawyers to get them out of jams and keep them out of jail.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
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Are you aware that the ancestors of many black Americans were bought and sold as property for about 250 years, and for the following 100 years they were barely considered human by many honkies? You think people can just crawl out from under 10 generations of treatment like that without a little help?
How many Vietnamese and, before them, Russian/Italian immigrants fled communism and fascism to come here, dirt f*#king poor, only to start a humble and reasonable existence in this country?
Their kids did better and better. They 'thrived' through perserverance and honest work. Some got rich, but most just did pretty well. Middle class. Maybe lower middle-class. But they were waaaayyyyyy better off.
Don't play the race/slave card. It's really just an excuse, not a reason for societal degeneration and apathy. Self-loathing.
There's a saying about 'pulling yourself up by the boot-straps'.
It's time to stop making excuses and move to worth and contribution to society. Not degeneration.
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It isn't socioeconomic either. There are plenty of middle class and rich kids that get into trouble and drugs. They just have mommies and daddies lawyers to get them out of jams and keep them out of jail.
I'd agree....
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Aug 16, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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The American Indians while not bought and sold as slaves can hold the same claim to being treated as sub human for as long as the blacks in this country.
But to break the cycle is going to take pain, suffering and struggle, it will never be accomplished by coddling, appeasment, excuses or a free or subsidized ride.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
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No other group was bought and sold and consistently treated as subhuman for 10 generations based on race.
The disadvantages experience by every other group you mentioned did not specifically single out a group of people as subhuman animals/PROPERTY based on race, nor did the conditions last for more than a couple generations.
Who sold those people that we bought? Are they given a blank redemption card, or a forgiveness?
Of course they are, they are the 'wrong' culprits.
What Paul said is accurate too.
So after 250 years I gotta feel some f*#king pain??? I don't! We have a f*#king black president, man. It can't be too bad if 'you actually want it'.
And there's the crux. They'd rather play the victim card with the urging of whores like Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, and Sheila Jackson Lee.
Bill Cosby had it right. Pull up you pants and get a f*#king job, or at least try!!!!
I no longer feel bad for minorities. They have been encouraged by the left to remain lame. Feed off the system...
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