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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Bouncing a check for $250 or more in Nevada is considered a felony. Not sure if it will get you jail time but it is still a felony.
take care
dave
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dirtbag
climber
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And, the 2/3 vote and a governors veto is the only thing preventing the ultra-liberal Dems in Calif from handing out birth to grave silver spoon benefits.
Wrong Fatty, the voters do. They have the ultimate say. If they don't like extra taxes being imposed they can vote the bastards out. We don't need no stinking 2/3 vote/minority rule check.
(And yes, I believe in sensible and non-gerrymandered districts being established.)
We require simple majorities for just about everything, including life and death policies. Yet budget decisions are extra special. Go figure.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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It's another piece of evidence for my theory that bit by bit we are losing the capacity for self-governance.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Our laws are nuts. Was just looking through the bad check laws posted at
http://www.ckfraud.org/penalties.html
It's super rare for a state's penalty for passing bad checks to be more than a $1000 fine but plenty of them can give you 5 or 10 years max in Jail?!!!
Its weird. Why is money so much more protected than time? Since when does $1000 equal a couple years in jail, practically ruining somebody's life?
Maybe, with the gov's budget woes, they ought to be able to fine $50,000 and use less jail time
Peace
karl
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Gawd! I HATE the word "Governance." It makes my flesh creep.
Fattrad had the right view about the "demographics." Every demographic group other than "taxpayers" is demanding more cradle-to grave handouts.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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The voters always tend to elect whoever promises more fringe benefits, the Greeks elected the current socialist prime minister because he promised more benes during his campaign. Now he's cutting whatever they had.
This in a nutshell seems to be the death spiral of democracy. Human nature or Darwinian imperative? I can't decide.
DISCLAIMER: Crawling flesh as a consequence of Things I've Posted are purely coincidental, non-intentional and I hereby absolve myself of any and all liability.
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
Arkansas, I suppose
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Yo California: get rid of some of your prisons. You are paying way too much to incarcerate people who don't deserve it.
P.S. Good luck with that, I'm sure the prison guards' union will love the idea.
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dirtbag
climber
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dirtbag,
The voters always tend to elect whoever promises more fringe benefits, the Greeks elected the current socialist prime minister because he promised more benes during his campaign. Now he's cutting whatever they had.
Meg, I and the next Calif GOP chair have already made the plans for Calif. I'll tell you more later.
The evil one
To a point, that is, until taxes become too high.
And you are going to tell me that this wonderful dysfunction imposed by the 2/3 majority (aka minority rule) is functional?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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There is only one answer to California's problems . . .
Raise Taxes
[A]ll costs have been cut, how many more cuts can we take[?]
All the costs have been cut? Please read Karl's post, above, with which I thoroughly agree. We need to question whether every aspect of state government, including the penal code, is worth it.
I also agree that we need to raise more revenue to pay off our overspending spree, and that will require some higher taxes. Those tax increases should be universal, though. A rather small percentage of individuals pay an overwhelming proportion of California taxes. I think this contributes greatly to the disconnect between what we spend and what we take in.
Neither spending cuts nor tax increases should be off the table.
We give the two industries you mentioned tax breaks because the businesses are being lured away by other states. Film making in Calif is way down and every state is after the "green" jobs. Michigan runs ads 24/7 on CNBC.
I'm aware of that, fattrad, but here, perhaps I'm being ideological rather than practical. I cannot support governmental subsidies for favored industries. At least from the time that Proxmire led the charge against American subsidies of an SST in the 1970's, I have opposed this because I believe government is incapable of picking business winners and losers as rationally as the market.
What we can do, however, is make sure that the burden on business generally in California is no greater than that elsewhere. Here, I'm afraid we fare rather poorly. Both our legislature and our voters think they know more than the average person, and impose their will (often their willful ignorance) on the economy.
Again, I think these are tough problems with no easy -- and certainly no painless -- solutions. Maybe we need a surge of "state patriotism" where we start competing to see how much we can do to solve the problem, rather than trying to impose the solution on everyone but ourselves.
John
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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I wonder if the Governator and the Legislature is now working for the minimum wage? The Justices of the Supreme Court? District Court Judges? How far UP the food chain does the minimum wage extend?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If all you have is minimum skills, then minimum wage is more than generous.
It's not based on what you think you want, but on what you produce.
I feel sorry for the folks who can't do nore than five or six-dollar-an-hour work because minimum wage has priced them right out of the job market.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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thank god for governor schwarzeneggar for delivering us from the corrupt regime of gray davis. if things are going badly, it's just because it's still davis's fault. he screwed things up so much that it's taking this long to straighten them out. i'm so glad we have the means to recall complete fark-upz like that. go, arnold, go!
and to think how davis stole that re-election only a year before arnold came along to save us! good thing we've got this great movie hero turned political hero, i don't care what the translation of his german name means. (clue: notice how it's not weißritter?)
without arnold, we'd still be languishing in the torpor of the davis economy. can you imagine? we'd probably have to be paying people just to work for them, like $-5 an hour or something. be happy arnie's able to keep it in the black. part of it goes to pay back the money he borrowed to hire out-of-state people to gather signatures for the recall. good thing--we were so busy working then we'd never have been able to do it for ourselves.
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Show of hands for who thinks Cruz Bustamonte would have been a better governor? Who thinks we'd be better off?
I think main issue is super-majority approval to make any real changes, and we get bogged down. This was on the ballot last year to reduce this unrealistic hurdle for positive change, but it was voted down. Then there's the referendums such as the garbage from PG&E to lock in their state monopoly....
The b.s. in the political commentaries for the official ballot guides are just too confusing... I'm a fairly bright guy and I end up more confused than I started after reading the arguments for and against and the rebuttals for a given measure.
I'm sure a lot of people who bother to vote don't even read that much before voting.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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I googled a CA Legislature group photo to title "Blame These Guys"
This was the best I could do
Oddly enough it was at the CA Center for Autism
Guess that explains it.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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What exactly has ahnold done better than or different from Davis, it's all flash.
i believe the governator draws no salary, it works better for his taxes that way. Plus it gives him leverage to steal the state worker's money.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mr Milktoast,
Illegal Aliens gotta eat too.
The Government should never stand between a worker wanting to work and someone wanting to hire that worker.
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gonzo chemist
climber
Crane Jackson's Fountain St. Theater
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Lolli,
average price of gallon of gas in CA is US$ 3,10 (24 Swedish krona)
Living on US $7 per hour sucks. I've done approximately just that for the last 5 years, as a graduate student.
I don't have children to raise or a family to take care of. So I get by just fine.
7.25/hour just isn't enough for people who have families. Its like an insult.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If I demanded $7.25/an hour to grow avocados, only the rich would be able to afford Guacamole on their burritos.
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