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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 17, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
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Perhaps permanent tick marks should be chissled into popular routes to avoid the destruction to the rock caused by repeated application and removal of chalk tick marks.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Jan 17, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
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my aren't we all crabby this am.. too much Pineapple.. anyway totally agree , had some remark I was going to post about tape as well, can't see why some recreationists even leave the gym in the first place.. just wish they would leave the gym inside....
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 17, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
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And you can paint the chissled tick marks yellow, blue, or red to match the tape in the gym.
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okie
Trad climber
San Leandro, Ca
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Jan 17, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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Tick marks are silly- especially next to cracks. If you are climbing something at a high standard you should have the vision to see these things without tick marks, or at least work on that ability. If you are ticking it that means you have already blown the onsight and why tick it anyway? You are just ruining the onsight for the next person.
IMHO
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 17, 2010 - 03:09pm PT
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Tick marks are aid.
"Pineapple?" Like in the for TV versions of Scarface?
Yeah chaz and as long as we're chissling we can make them better holds...
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
Currently in San Diego
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Jan 17, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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I took my sister in law out bouldering at Santee for her first time- she has MS and is very excited about learning what it is we do out there on the various stones...
We come upon a boulder near the terrible face with corpulent tick marks littering its easiest route. I begin to try to clean them off as best I can without a brush, aghast that someone would tick something that easy...and horrified that if I did not, someone might think that I put them there.
She asks me what those marks are for and I tell her they are for people to see where all the holds are.
She says, "Oh, you mean like in a GYM? Then why do they bother coming outside?"
I agree and we begin climbing. After we each take a lap, she shakes her head and says, " You know, those marks seem a lot like cheating. I mean, how do these people expect to learn how to read the rock if they do that?"
I thought it was funny how obvious it was to even a complete n00b. Next time, I'll have a brush.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Jan 17, 2010 - 03:46pm PT
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Porkchop...
PERFECT AND FANTASTIC STORY!!!!!
I LOVE EVERY WORD AND THOUGHT IN IT!
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
Currently in San Diego
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Jan 17, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
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Thanks- She is a real champ. She says the climbing is a big help with her MS symptoms, so she "makes" me take her climbing a lot.
Tick marks always make me feel like Im doing the problem wrong because I tend to skip a lot of holds because I can reach far. Plus if you work the problem a little, you will get some residual chalk on the holds that you have been using without having to seem so incompetent.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2010 - 07:51pm PT
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the rain will mostly take it off, but that doesn't excuse the pad peoples.
just about every pad person I saw was young 'un, so most likely young and ignorant, hence partially my reason for posting in that hopefully the young will read and go 'wow, didn't think about that, yeah I better ease back on my chalk addiction'
meh
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Jan 17, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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Way Homo.
Urine takes care of those pesky tics, yet I only pee on the problems I can't do.
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Rob_James
Mountain climber
Aoraki/Mt. Cook Village, New Zealand
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Jan 17, 2010 - 08:33pm PT
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Mungeclimber: If you use white coloured chalk on anything other then white coloured rock, then you are little better than those you burn about.
I agree, rock should be left clean. And if you must use chalk and won't clean it off, use the light sandy/brown/whatever coloured stuff that blends-in with the wall.
Onwards.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2010 - 08:51pm PT
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yep, I am weak. I use chalk at Castle. I am little better and probably worse than those I post about. Please disregard any part of the above that isn't worth talking about or that doesn't apply to anyone you might know.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
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There's a difference between using chalk on your hands, and using it to paint rock so you know where to go.
I think that's what we're talking about here...
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Rob_James
Mountain climber
Aoraki/Mt. Cook Village, New Zealand
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
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Mungeclimber: self-effacing doesn't cut it in a lilliputian world.
If you're a hypocrite then have the sack to defend yourself. Especially if you are to critique others so for(u)mally.
Holds marked with white chalk -on anything other than white rock- are as much a part of the same game as tick marks. Thereby, if you're going to cite a standard, than hold it high - use chalk that can't be seen 'as markers' from the ground. Be it for your hands, ease, or comfort.
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Blinky
Trad climber
North Carolina
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
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I'm thinking little laminated placards with the route name and grade would add a nice touch... and maybe paint boundaries on all the lines so nobody gets off route.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:33pm PT
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Either way.... leaving a trace... is the thing...
When one leaves behind a trace of their having been there.. that's when it becomes a problem for me....
But then again I haven't been to the park in a while.... but I definitely know what you mean....
tick marks....
I can see why one would need a tick mark.. when they suck so much that they cannot remember where a hold is, or where to step that right toe....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
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Since I spend so much time there, maybe I'll start schooling the youngsters. I don't usually climb in the 'Sharma-approved' bouldering areas, but I see these f*#kers in the lot....I'll give 'em a heads up.
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drunkenmaster
Social climber
santa rosa
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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ticks dig me!?
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hoipolloi
climber
A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
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Rob James-
That is a ridiculous statement saying using chalk is just as bad as making tick marks. Yes they both leave white marks on the rock, but the ticks which munge is talking about are huge, thick, bold white lines on all features of the rock. We are not talking about a small thumb print that marks out something useful and hard to see, this are huge, sometimes foot long bold lines. Its very, very different than a chalky slap print on a hold used.
they suck, I have never caught anyone making those, but I have seen them and they are lame.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Jan 17, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
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i saw some tick marks on bluey's nut sack,
is that what were are nit pickin about?
we were doing the Tea Bag, know what i'm sayin?
where have i been?
looking for a OLEAUT32.dll file that crippled my online access, im jus sayin, computers suck. bill gates can lick my sack.
you apple guys, i don't want to hear it again. i know.
buy a frickin apple. buy a frickin apple.
0k, there, i said it again.
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