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guyman
Trad climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 14, 2010 - 02:52pm PT
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The whole surfer attitude really sucks. IMHO.
Never felt anything like that in c4 or anyplace I have climbed. Climbers are mostly "welcoming people".
Thx for putting this up.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
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Exactly Slater, I agree. It is even sort of heartbreaking, in the end, isn't it. Such a magnificent sport and art, even historic actually with its origins in Hawaiian history; and so primitive and vicious now in some instances.
But if you are young and have the time and energy for such hassle, it still is amazing and worthwhile for the period of your life in which you can stand it. And once again, great crosstraining for climbing.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jan 14, 2010 - 02:57pm PT
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Why doesn't the Wolf Pak just SH#TE on other people's surfboards--seems that's what the Yosemite bravado locals would do, right?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2010 - 03:04pm PT
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Agreed, Pate and Mojede. It IS true we have had some of this stuff going on in climbing too, although it usually is not 24/7/365 as it sometimes is with surfing. I guess we have to admit that the world as a whole was not "given" to us with any guarantee to be painless or endless.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Jan 14, 2010 - 03:06pm PT
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I've surfed Hawaii four times over the years. The things I've learned are (1) don't paddle out at an unnamed spot that has great waves, is in an isolated location [Windmills on Maui!] and small crowd and (2) sit and watch at named spots, then paddle out the same way the locals do. Once in the water, watch some more and then score an unridden shoulder, then begin inching toward the peak.
I've scored good Honolua Bay, Three's, Kaiser's, and Ala Moana this way. Never had any serious problems and got my fill of surf on most days. On the North SHore, in season, there is never a problem getting good waves as long you settle for the smaller sets and grab peaks that come in-between spots. Those in-between waves are only 100x better than what I get in NJ. And sometimes the current will push you down into the peak at OTW or Backdoor or Rockpile.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Jan 14, 2010 - 03:13pm PT
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That's what they did to my friend's jacket at Fullers.
Inside the sleeve.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Jan 14, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
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Beat it KOOK.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jan 14, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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Fatty, gonna gas up the ATV's to go "chase down" those punks?
Cuz you and your crew "running" after them would be like watching the Keystone Cops:-)
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jan 14, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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I surf here in Santa Cruz, same bullsh#t. Riding a wave is like a drug to surfers, put someone in the way between an addict and their drug, you get the same violent reaction. Surfers should understand that each wave is a temporary experience, whereas treating someone disrespectfully lasts much longer. It breeds hatred and should be stopped. We have enough hatred already.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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(1) don't paddle out at an unnamed spot that has great waves, is in an isolated location [Windmills on Maui!] and small crowd
Why not?
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:33pm PT
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PATE-No caca poopoo for me.
I will admit to leaving some wax messages.
Trying to insert surf style localism into a climbing scenario is tough.
The WOS incident sounds close.
OK, say you were about to hop on, say, Hot Rocks. All tied in, locked and loaded. Out of nowhere someone appears, elbows you, and proceeds to take off in front of you only to flail.
You'd be, like, WTF? OK move on.
So you move to a different route and all of a sudden the same party appears and does the same thing again.
Don't say anything, move on again.
How many times before you say something?
Then they take the last parking space from you at Edchatas!
With beginners it's easy to say something nice. With someone fully aware that they're snaking you it's another story.
Scenario 2-
Your climbing area only comes into condition once in a while. You know exactly what elements need to come together, you've put years into it.
The day comes and there is an REI TR clinic running and the whole crag is tied up.
I dunno, doesn't really work.
As much as I can't stand localism or violence, there are places where it works. Even if there is just a REPUTATION for bad vibes.
Ask Kelly Slater about Da Hui- he's glad they're regulating.
Although I'm sure he doesn't dig the poundings being handed out on the beach. BTW, even Kelly gets ripped off at Rincon!
Thank god as climbers we're generally welcoming and friendly.
The problem with surf rage and localism boils down to one problem,
TOO MANY PEOPLE.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
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CLASSIC! ^^^^^^^^^
Unfortunately, the Headlands have changed a lot in the past few years, Andy. You'd "trip".
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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jefe, you need to add. You finally get on a climb and along comes some 300 pound giant that sends your belayer packing, then when you are 150 feet off the deck starts yanking on your rope. Now thats surfing those hidden spots with small crowds.
When the surf is up and someone yanks your leash as you take off you can end up rag dolling it to shore, or being held under for a few waves. Not fun.
Survival. Those hidden spots are considered sacred. Locals only. Every bad thing that you can imagine can happen in the water, and there are always a whole lot more of them then of you. Become a local is about the only way. Sometimes you can get local status simply by buying the beer.. haha. But that means hanging out and meeting folks before you jump on anything. Kind of hard when you only have a week.
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:52pm PT
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this is fairly typical with most surf breaks..
i have been vibed in Va beach, almost gotten into fights in mexico etc.
in the end, if you take the higher ground and show respect you usually get your waves..
outer banks crew tend to be the chillest i have seen..
kurt
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:53pm PT
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Fatty, you are the Diet Coke of evil.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Jan 14, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 14, 2010 - 05:02pm PT
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If G.W. had just said that Sadam didn't give him the proper respect, everyone would have gone along with the Iraq ware because violence is okay if done for the "right" reason.
Dave
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Jan 14, 2010 - 05:21pm PT
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I have to say though, some of the best times of my life were spent out on a board in the ocean riding waves. Don't let 'em get you down!
And some of you preaching about how rude others are have been blatantly rude on some (political) threads so get off your high horse. Practice what you preach ALL the time, or at least TRY! I could quote some of you saying some pretty mean things but that would just be... mean.
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