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Michael Moron
Social climber
Davison, MI
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"In other words, words that even LEB and Werner can understand, we'd be f*#ked."
I was laughing at your statement about the "one-eyed fat man" and then I see this. You obviously have more than dirt in your eye. You are so full of excrement that IT is coming out of your eyes. LEB and Werner, from my observations, FAR outclass anyone on this forum. They have more thoughtful insight about life than you and all the other self-absorbed lunatics on this site do. To automatically assume that we are a lower life-form than whatever might find us is ridiculous. By the way, to say we are detroying this planet by ourselves is rather egotistical, don't you think? The earth and Mother Nature are far more powerful and resilient than was puny humans will ever be. Don't put so much stock in yourself.
Gotta go, have to make another propaganda movie about the bogus charges against Tom Delay.
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Ouch!
climber
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Scared to post as yourself?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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What does it mean, "to find an alien"?
Most likely detecting radio signals which are not "random". Interesting stuff at the http://www.seti.org by folks that have thought a lot about this...
ok, let's say these researchers announce that they have "statistically significant" evidence of signals which are from "intellegent life elsewhere in the universe".
It doesn't mean that we have received a message that we can understand in any way. Translating lost ancient languages is difficult enough, and those were created by humans... recognizing intelligent behavior which is not human is also very difficult, there is abundant evidence of intelligent behavior among animals, a highly controversial idea to some.
I don't think that science has any problem with the existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, if anything, it is expected.
I'm not sure about religion, Jody's response is some indication...
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Ouch!
climber
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Unless a communication link of some sort could be established and maintained, they would never know if it came from some long dead critters. Except maybe for the aliens who insist on taking people from Alabama and probing them.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jody, Ed is too polite to tell you that God does not exist. Let's forget about religion and go shoot guns out in the desert! Whaddaya say?
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Deal! And I'll bring my arsenal too. And then I get one hour to tell you why the Earth isn’t 6000 years old. We’ll trade shooting/urban combat info for geo/climbing info. And blast the piss out of a bunch of abandoned cars, we will! I’ll drive the Death Star too. How’s that?
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Ben Wah
Social climber
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Don't forget, Jody, that humans aren't the only sentient creatures, or creatures with free will, that God created. If He created angels, who don't always hang out on Earth, and he created beasts whose only job is to sit at His feet and sing "Holy, Holy, Holy", (see Revelations) and which there are definitely none of on Earth, who is to say that He didn't create a whole planet full of critters elsewhere, maybe some that didn't screw it up, and they live in blessed communion with Him every day? Remember what God told Job out of the whirlwind, and I paraphrase: "What makes you think you know so much? You've only been around for a handful of years; I've been around since forever." Just 'cause God didn't tell us about something doesn't mean he didn't make it.
Humbly,
Ben Wah
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jody, I think you are a bit defensive... let me not talk about scientists, but about myself, a scientist. I would not be surprised to hear that there is evidence for intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. But the likelyhood that this evidence will be found is small...
My beliefs do not exclude the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere. In fact, my beliefs don't exclude the possibility that other beings on this planet, at this time, are sentient. To my way of thinking, it is a question which can be addressed by science.
I believe that many religions do not allow the possibility that characteristics which we consider to be "human" are shared by animals, or anything else.
I wouldn't tell Jody that God does not exist. I might argue that the God is irrelevant in describing the physical universe. What larger miracle could you want then that!
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WBraun
climber
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We’re all just aliens in a machine.
You know that?
We really don’t fit well in these machines. We’re here against our will. Forced to act by the machine’s rules. We don’t like the urges of the machine, or all the social obligation, but we are forced to act.
We’re strangers in a strange land.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Time for more Iron Maiden lyrics…
Stranger in a Strange Land
From the album Somewhere in Time, 1986, Capitol Records.
“Was many years ago that I left home and came this way
I was a young man, full of hopes and dreams
But now it seems that all is lost and nothing gained
Sometimes things ain’t what they seem
No brave new world, no brave new world
Night and day I scan horizon, sea and sky
My spirit wanders endlessly until the day will dawn and friends from home discover why
Hear me calling, rescue me
Set me free, set me free
Lost in this place, and leave no trace
Stranger in a strange land
Land of ice and snow
Trapped inside this prison
Lost and far from home
One hundred years have gone and men again they came that way
To find the answer to the mystery
They found his body lying where it fell that day
Preserved in time for all to see
No brave new world, no brave new world
Lost in this place, to leave no trace
What became of the men that started
All are gone and souls departed
Left me here in this prison
So all alone
Stranger in a strange land
Land of ice and snow
Trapped inside this prison
Lost and far from home”
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James
Social climber
My Subconcious
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whatever...I've always considered xenophobia to be a bad thing...does a blade of grass have more significance than a human life...maybe if you're a man pushing a mower they mean different things...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mr. Moron, you certainly live up to your name.
You probably don't realizes the signifcance of the one-eyed fat man quote either, so how you could find it funny is a mystery-- almost as much of a mystery as how you get the correct shoe on the correct foot in the morning.
Philosophers are always in need a good beating/teasing/poking/whatever. That helps with the hot air redistribution and fights global warming at the same time.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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I found an Alien once... first good piece
of booty I ever scored. Came right out of
the crack too... not sure why someone left it.
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JMC
Trad climber
So Cal
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We'll find out if they taste like chicken.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Ca
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The chance of aliens finding us is about the same as us finding them. We will have used up the resources of our planet before we ever get off of it and then will sink back into an agrarian society just like every civilization before us. If any aliens do ever get off their planet I am sure we will make fine pets of food for them.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Actually the aliens aren't going to eat us. They are Huge. We can see them too, but we just don't realize it. And we are a part of a series of experiments they are doing in high school. They have us going near the speed of light compared to them. So while it seems to us like global warming is taking a long time, it is really just an hour in their "lab". The "bad kids" in the lab sometimes fool around and stir the oceans up a bit. They did that a few seconds ago, well actually to us it seems nearly a month.
There are a bunch of other carefully controlled experiments going on. They are comparing different approaches to modifying small "to them now" local environments.
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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You never know...They might look a bit like myself!
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Hootervillian
climber
Bolivia, NV
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Does Rockhouse images have a website?
'Mutantis' is quite Dali'esque. Nice work.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
-Commissioner of the U.S. Patent Office Charles H. Duell in 1899
"Why is it that people who are sure of themselves and their beliefs, are looked at with disdain and ridicule? Is it because you want the confidence that they have? "
Jody Langford, 2005
Jody I realize that because you have been spending most of your online time at www.creationsts.org you may not know how insanely vast the galaxy is, much less the universe in which it resides or the several universes that exist around that. Anyway, to quote Monty Python, "its really, really big." It is, of course, quite possible that they HAVE found us. It is also likely that there are planets full of living organisms that are not human-like in their ability to create machinery and investigate extraterrestrial worlds. It seems likely to me that we will find evidence of life far before we actually find life itself, but considering how super big the universe is, I find it difficult to believe that there are no other planets similar to Earth that have spawned some sort of organisms. If you have been paying any attention at all, the amount of information that we have been able to glean as of late with powerful telescopes, exciting satellite missions and other forms of new technology makes the 25-year goal a pretty safe bet.
Back to your original question though. The reason that people generally disdain those who are so sure of themselves and their beliefs is because that overconfidence exists from an inherent disregard for other possibilities and the opinions of others. It is also quite often that those people are wrong, having been blinded by their confidence and desire to be sure of their opinion. You will notice, for instance, that scientists call even the most stalwart of ideas 'theories' because they ackowldege that they might ultimately be wrong. New evidence might come to light that will make them alter their theory. Religious zealots, on the other hand, might be faced with evidence that would force them to burn the heretic in a large fire or perhaps, more humanely, kill them by placing heavy rocks on their chest. You can see why science has caught on as being a little more 'reasonable.'
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