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Weenis
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Tel Aviv
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Nov 15, 2009 - 04:55pm PT
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Proud! I'm headed out for the afternoon. Have yourself(ves) a fine day.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
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Nov 15, 2009 - 05:06pm PT
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Isn't it true that frequent posting to SuperTopo is proof of possession by the Evil One? And that missing church on Sunday clinches it?
Anyway, these Conspiracy Theories wud be improoved if they had better speling, and didn't use unnecessary Capitals.
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Climbing dropout
Trad climber
Vancouver, BC
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Nov 15, 2009 - 05:26pm PT
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I have captured some pretty good UFO clips on video the past 2 years.
Plasma type entities not metallic ships.
I have no explanations and am suspicious of those whom have too many answers.
Here is my video clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1VYCJHNw0Q
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 05:41pm PT
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I am in the process of perhaps debunking the movie "The Fourth Kind" myself. I am not finished yet, but for a studio to go and make a mock-u-mentary and then claim it is real, and the footage they have is real, and that this did take place etc. and then to fake it so realistically is really beyond reason. It really is beyond artistry to fake and lie and then come out and say it is true. Most sensible studios would have made a statement at the end of the movie to say it was all done in fun, too make the audience feel it was real, but that in fact it isn't and it was all drama.
I think they should be heavily fined and so much so that it would ruin the studio. Really beyond reason to pull such a stunt.
If a documentary is made and they say it is real and not faked, then the audience should believe that is in fact the truth. They crossed a line that should never be crossed.
This website seems to be doing a great deal to debunk the movie with good links to prove it:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Nome-Alaska-Abuductions-Real-t25968.html&st=20
I suppose I should have done a little leg work before going to the movie. I saw the trailer and just said wow, I'm gonna go see it. What a dissapointment.
http://www.projectcamelot.org/
"Fourth Kind: The Movie - CORRECTION: I understand this was a BLAIR WITCH TYPE HOAX (this crossed my mind initially, as it came across as authentic if strangely skewed and seemed over the top) but then I wondered, could it be true. With this in mind I do not recommend it, except as a study into the motivation behind the deception that must be involved in the release of this very dark and disturbing film currenlty in theaters. It is about abduction, specifically centered around what they claim are true cases that took place in Nome, Alaska. What happened in that town appears well documented and is shot to appear more like a documentary than a typical Hollywood film.
While it is true that all abductions do not result in people who want to save the earth and join the aliens in their ships without any kind of discernment, in order to save themselves from future earth changes... It is puzzling that they would mix strong references to the Annunaki (the dark side) as well as satanic type interactions leaving the open question as to just who the abductors are and what their purpose is other than to foster further ridiculue and confusion on the part of real experienccers.
The use of the ancient Sumarian language (recorded on tape is especially riveting and puzzling and makes little or no sense in connection with the abductions themselves and it would seem the use of this device is done by either superficial ufo researchers who don't know any better or by some more sophisticated group with an agenda in mind.
The real question is what might be the motivation for the hoax (other than money). What is clear, is that in taking the real and making it appear as hyper-real and deceiving the viewers until the jinx is up as they say the filmmakers and studio set themselves up to further confuse and disgust the public who are waking up to the real truth behind the fiction on a daily basis. What is perhaps most striking about this recent effort, is how receptive the public is to such a reality...simply because they know it to be the truth.
In the theater, people just sat there at the end. They were taken in by the documentary quality and statements made that the film was based on 'true' events.
The truth is out there... It would be great if the filmmakers were able to put their hearts and minds behind it.
Revised in light of the Blair Witch formula apparently used as the template for this unfortunate horror film.
--Kerry "
Yes, I'll admit it. I got suckered bigtime. I hope there is enough back-lash to ruin the studio. What an incredible evil hoax, to manipulate people like this.
Aliens on the other hand are real. They just aren't who they say they are.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Nov 15, 2009 - 05:59pm PT
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Would aliens/demons/angels exist IF no one believed in them?
For that matter - do gods exist only because enough human energy flows into the manifestation of such?
I ask because our history is filled with gods and demons and aliens that seemingly ceased to be after their cultures abandoned active belief in them.
When's the last time you ran across Ra in the grocery store line? Haven't noticed Zeus at Starbucks lately - what's up with that?
All though I certainly don't discount the notion of other forms of energy or beings inhabiting some plain of existence - I can't help but feel that OUR special creatures are born of human imagination.
Remember the story if the kids didn't believe in fairies - then Tinkerbell would die.
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WBraun
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Nov 15, 2009 - 06:12pm PT
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klimmer -- Aliens on the other hand are real. They just aren't who they say they are.
And your version? Please no links to places on the internet only your own baseline analysis/information.
It can be concise, but I need to see where you, yourself, are really coming from.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Nov 15, 2009 - 06:55pm PT
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Whadda you bet Klimmer sleeps with a nightlight.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Nov 15, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
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"I'm glad I'm a Christian and know the truth about Aliens = Fallen Angels, Nephalim, and/or Demons."
Whack Job!!!
movin' on!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
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Werner,
I've answered that question many, many times on ST.
Ricky D.,
I do sleep with a light. A light that illuminates my soul -- The Light of GOD.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 07:26pm PT
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Here is some more on the background of the story . . . that the studio/writer took liberty to enhance at will . . .
From another website:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Nome-Alaska-Abuductions-Real-t25968.html&st=20
"Hey this could add some insight... funny is i joined because of this thread... I live in Alaska and that movie.... is "based on real" events just like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which was "based" on two serial killers. So overall... since 1960 there have been 20 disappearances with 9 of them never finding the bodies. Most of them were Native Americans and were found to be floating in the near by rivers dead or on the tundra.... This is where I believe the Dr. Abigail Tyler comes from. She currently is not in Nome probably due to her child being missing and her husband committing suicide and her whereabouts are unknown.
They do not say in the news articles what she was a doctor of... her husband was a physchatrist.... also they video taped that movie in Bulgaria... definately not Alaska... just like 30 days and nights was videotaped in New Zealand.... Believe what you want but I think its so people wont visit Alaska... It is a very wide open country and getting lost and dying happens all the time. These movies come about due to the fact that most places in Alaska are inaccessible except by plane and it is winter 3/4 of the year.
Anyways heres the news articles and their links CHECK EM OUT!!!"
http://www.northpacificnewsarchive.com/news/archive/articles/9-2000/Fairbanks-Daily-News-Miner-Psychologists-Death-Suicide.html
Nome Psychologist's Death an Apparent Suicide
September 29th, 2000
Staff Report
Fairbanks Daily News-Miner
FAIRBANKS - The Office of the State Medical Examiner concluded on Tuesday that the death of Nome psychiatrist Dr. William Tyler was the result of an apparent suicide.
On September 5, Dr. Tyler's body was found in his home by his wife Dr. Abigail Tyler. At the time Nome police had no evidence of foul play, but Alaska state law requires the Medical Examiner to investigate the cause of death for all deaths caused by violence.
The case gained some notoriety in past weeks because of the disappearance of Dr. Tyler's five-year-old daughter on October 5th.
http://www.northpacificnewsarchive.com/news/archive/articles/10-2005/Nome-Nugget-Missing-Ashley-Tyler-Unsolved.html
Five Years Later, Mystery Still Surrounds Case of Missing Girl
October 2005
By Laurie McNicholas
The Nome Nugget
NOME - This month marks the 5-year anniversary of the disappearance of Ashley Tyler. It is a case that still haunts the family and local authorities.
Ashley Tyler disappeared from her home in the early morning hours of October 5, 2000. The five years that have passed since the disappearance have only served to deepen the mystery, and the case remains unsolved.
"It still gets to me," said Nome's former chief of police Charlie Moates. "We've had people go missing before, and you do your best. But to have a little girl just up and disappear is hard to wrap your head around."
Adding to the mystery were the bizarre series of events in the life of the Tyler family in the weeks before the incident. They include the suicide of Dr. Tyler's husband, Dr. Will Tyler, and the murder-suicide committed by one of her patients, Tommy Stapleton.
"This town's been through a lot. I hope the families involved are able to find some peace," said Chief Moates. When asked if he was fully satisfied that Dr. Tyler was indeed innocent of the alleged crime Chief Moats was noncommittal.
"I mean, around here, we go with the evidence, and the evidence said let her go."
Dr. Tyler left Nome in the years since the disappearance and could not be located for comment at the time of publication. Chief Moates and the local authorities remain hopeful that the next five years will yield more answers than the last five.
http://www.alaskanewsrecords.org/news/records/10-15-2000/Seattle-Times-Stapleton-Murders.html
Local Catholic Diocese & Schools Respond to Stapleton Murders
The Seattle Times
Staff Reporter
October 15, 2000
Nome, Alaska - Local radio station KNOM radio, privately owned by the Catholic Diocese of Northern Alaska, as well as local schools, Nome Elementary and Nome Beltz Jr. High School, have teamed up to respond to recent tragedies related to the Stapleton and Tyler families of Nome. KNOM announced this morning the coordination of a crisis intervention support team and counseling center that will be operational as of this Monday.
Psychologists and counselors will be flown in from Anchorage and from as far away as Washington D.C. to support the Nome community in processing and coping with the shock, stress and questions that the town's many young children, as well as their parents, are experiencing.
Nome Elementary and Nome Beltz Jr. High School have both cancelled a week of classes as the crisis teams overtake both schools' gymnasiums with the temporary counseling centers. Counselors on hand are specialized in grief and stress management. According to local resident and parent Emily Krost, they will hopefully be instrumental in helping her family and children come to terms with the sudden turn of events that have emotionally devastated her family and others.
October 3rd, a tragic triple murder-suicide culminated in the loss of the Stapleton family. That event was followed by the disappearance of a local 8-year old girl, whose name has been withheld on the basis of confidentiality as it relates to an on-going investigation by the Nome Police Department.
Edit:
Has anyone tried to follow the links above to these articles? They do not exist. That is how insidious this lie is.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 07:48pm PT
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This once news reporter makes some good points . . .
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Nome-Alaska-Abuductions-Real-t25968.html&st=40
"Hi everyone,
I came across this forum looking for info on Dr. Tyler.
But I mainly joined up to say this:
I was a "mainstream" news reporter for 13 years. Almost every reporter I ever met would love to be the one to break "THE" UFO story that proves it all. And we do NOT overlook cases. I can't recall a single good incident in my career that didn't go reported except one, and in that case there were children's identities involved and no real evidence.
The problem we have is this: When we report it, nothing happens. Remember when all those people saw that UFO over O'Hare Airport? The one that left a big hole in the clouds? We reported the holy hell out of that story. Nothing.
Phoenix Lights? Reported it, showed video on TV. It headlined newscasts nationwide. The next day, nothing had changed.
HELLO! We ran clear footage of a giant black triangle cruising over a major US city like they were going to pull into McDonald's and order a Big Mac. People looked at it, watched the footage, and I think most people who saw it concluded: "Yep, that's a non-human vehicle flying over one of our cities!" Even the governor came out a few years later and admitted he and his staff had tried to sweep it under the rug and he didn't buy the military story.
The next morning, I got up, ate my cheerios, went to work....and nothing had changed.
One that I directly did some footwork on happened when I was a reporter in Michigan. Hundreds of witnesses saw an object cross the state and extremely high speed, the National Weather Service tracked it and said their radar confirmed it went from something like a dead stop to 10 miles away in one second. A camera man working for a Kalamazoo news station got the vehicle on video tape for more than a minute. The next day everyone said "Oh! Neat! Wierddddd!" And went upon their merry frickin' way.
We report it if it's got enough meat.
Hell, the only reason almost anyone knows about Roswell is because every newspaper in the country ran that wire story.
Gulf Breeze? Reported
Mexico City flap? Reported.
About every five years or so there's a bunch of sightings over DC. They all get reported.
Area 51 is a household name...because it got reported on.
We, as reporters, don't know what else to do. We report the news. We report UFO incidents that seem truly newsworthy, meaning that they have some solid evidence.
But once we report them, nothing ever seems to happen. It's out of our hands at that point. Somebody else has got to take the ball and run with it. We report the news, we don't make it.
If you don't believe me, believe Peter Jennings. Jennings knew he was retiring, and he got to do one last special. What topic did he choose? UFOs!
Do you think that's a coincidence? Hell no. He worked his butt off for that special, and it was a good piece as I recall.
He presented a lot of good evidence.
It seemed to have changed nothing.
it's frustrating for us as reporters, and when we hear people constantly saying that we don't report it, and then they immediately bring up, as proof, cases that were widely reported, it feels like we're getting the shaft from both ends.
You show a reporter good evidence, and he'll run a UFO story.
After that, somebody's got to turn that coverage into synergy and energize the issue. We can only do so much. Somebody has to pick up the ball and carry it further down field, or no matter how good the evidence is, this cycle will keep happening over and over.
Sorry about the rant and tangent.
I don't think Dr. Tyler existed, from what I've seen here and elsewhere. It's either completely viral or a composite character and events based around the world. If it is a composite, they've screwed their validity by putting up viral news sites that can easily be disproven, and it may actually hurt abduction investigations."
they've screwed their validity by putting up viral news sites that can easily be disproven, and it may actually hurt abduction investigations.
Perhaps that was the intention all along. Fight the UFO investigative community with a really well done movie that is very believable. Check.
Then debunk it and let the actual truth of the existance of UFOs, abductions, etc. suffer as a result.
Check.
Brings doubt back in people's minds.
Did Karl Rove write this story? This whole movie hoax thing seems very Karl Rovish . . .
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 15, 2009 - 08:03pm PT
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"Yes, I'll admit it. I got suckered bigtime. "
Kudos for a rare admirable quality, most essential to someone willing to question status quo thinking.
Once you step outside the box, the standard untruth is challenged by a myriad of other distortions and fantasies.
Doesn't mean nothing is real, but it's tricky
Peace
Karl
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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rrider,
Werner Von Braun said . . .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2218
"Just before he [von Braun] died, he gave an interview to Carol Rosin, in which he basically said that in order to sustain the military-industrial complex that first a false threat of terrorists would be created and used on the public and then asteroids and finally a false alien threat."
This is also discussed in The Disclosure Project, his secretary gives a statement to this regard in the program if I remember right.
Well, we have seen the terrorist threat come to pass. They have certainly talked about the Asteroid threat, and programs are in place to search for NEOs. The thing that remains is an Alien threat. Even President Ronald Ray-Gun eluded to this.
Regan's ALIEN speech to UN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 16, 2009 - 12:24am PT
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn...
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Bad Climber
climber
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Nov 16, 2009 - 12:55am PT
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Klimmer: How much time did you put into typing all that drivel? I mean, really? Time to get a life. Or, if you have been drinking too much, time to stop. Or, if you have not been drinking, it's time to start. If you live in Cali., I hear it's pretty easy to get a medical Mary Jane card. And since you have a recognizable condition, virtually any doctor would sign off on it.
Holy freakin' cats!
BAd
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 16, 2009 - 05:20am PT
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Jeebus is an alien and the only reason he ain't been back in 2k years is because SPACE IS BIG and it would be amazing if he were to make it back while there is still anything we'd recognize as 'humans'.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2009 - 01:46am PT
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VERY INTERESTING VIDEO ON WORLDWIDE UFO/ET DISCLOSURE -- EXOPOLITICS.
I agree with Steve, it would be the only way for the US to gain back any trust is to stop the Truth Embargo and disclose.
The US government has dug itself into such a deep hole, there really is no other way out.
Confession is good for the soul. You can't get forgiveness until you confess, disclose, and ask for the peoples' forgiveness. I wonder if the US is honorable enough to do this. I hope so.
Then we have to deal with Who, and What the ETs are really. Well, the Bible and the Book of Enoch have a lot to say about that . . .
Steve Bassett Exopolitics Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ZgKetkxZM&feature=player_embedded#
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 20, 2009 - 01:48am PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2009 - 09:37am PT
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Ed,
I hope when full discloseure happens you will not be so suprised as Buchwheat, and also brandishing a knife! (lol)
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