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mooch
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Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 18, 2017 - 08:18am PT
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Additionally true. Players stretch all the time in order to place the ball past the goal line. I have reviewed that video over and over again and I have yet to see "loss of control" or "failed to survive the ground". I do know that his knee touched first before the ball crossed the plane. So, I was Ok with the TD be overruled, knowing the ball would be placed on the 1-yd line. But this is the worst call I've witnessed in years.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 18, 2017 - 08:23am PT
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NFl blocked the content, Werner. No workie.
[youtube=xHGfsoORqZM&t=26s]
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John M
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Dec 18, 2017 - 08:24am PT
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Breaking the plane only comes into play when the player is a runner. Having made two steps after catching the ball. He didn't make two steps, ( at least I don't believe so, but that was the ruling ) therefore it was still a catch in progress. With a catch in progress, you have to control the ball through going to the ground. If you bobble the ball when the ball hits the ground, then its not a catch.
What some are saying is that the call on the field was for a touchdown, so to reverse the call requires irrefutable evidence. I did not see irrefutable evidence. When he bobbled the ball one can't tell if the arm of the hand that moved off the ball is under the ball, and or is the knuckles of the hand that had control hit the ground first, which caused the bobble and that he regained control before the ball actually hit the ground. The refs say it hit the ground when he bobbled the ball. Hard to see. Could go either way.. hence.. not irrefutable.
LOL.. replay was supposed to fix this. Before replay there were tons of disputed calls. Its still a tricky business.
Edit:
NFl blocked the content, Werner. No workie.
Just click the watch on youtube link.
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WBraun
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Dec 18, 2017 - 08:27am PT
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Mooch
Click "Watch on YouTube" and it works
Somebody from planet "St00pid" had too much money tied up in NE and called the ref thru his earpiece to reverse the call to incomplete ... :-)
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 18, 2017 - 08:56am PT
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Thanks guys. Too funny, Werner!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
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Out Of Bed
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:02am PT
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Mooch ,
You must be an imposing & terrifying Individual if you could intimidate Brady-lovers to doubt any 'gimme' that those cheating, and Bribe -Crazy
Krafts, have manufactured to steal another Top of the heap, play-off berth for the weak and ineffective Patriots football team.
Or?
Those dwags, to think that they call themselves supporters?! they are obviously just . . . . Jock Straps.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:36am PT
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irrefutable evidence
Nothing out there to support it.
Gnome -
No, I'm neither of those things you mention. If the situation was reversed, meaning the Pats got this very poor call, I would still call BS and play it in favor of a completed pass! But, as seen on many sports media sites this morning, the "jock straps"
out there love to side step or bend the views their way, just to say that a Win is a Win.". You got a gift (and a stolen one at that!), not a win, Pats "fans".
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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:37am PT
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one might think what the reaction to the play, and the game outcome, would be had the call gone the other way.
The game outcome was expected to be close, and unfortunately in such games the officiating becomes more important. A larger sub-text (from what I could see in the clips, I was at the gym during the game and missed it, not that I would have been able to watch anyway, not televised in the Bay Area) was the loss of Antonio Brown to injury, and the general additional violence added to hits with the intention of injuring players.
But back to this game, without AB the Steelers are not as potent an offense (though obviously still very impressive), and gave the Pats a huge challenge. As I was leaving the gym I checked the game, and with 34 s left and the Steelers on the 10 yrd line with a first down, I fully expected that they would either win, or tie the game forcing overtime.
I was totally surprised upon checking at home that the Pats had won. That sort of game could have gone either way, and the additional challenge of the weather in the pass-heavy offenses of both teams worked to damp down the "shoot out" anticipated by these two great quarterbacks.
On the personal dimension, it was amazing that Rowe, the corner back responsible for giving up the 69 yrd play that setup the red-zone possibilities for the Steelers also deflected the pass that was intercepted ending the game, with 4 s left to play; redemption. This happened not so long ago with Malcolm Butler (sorry or reminding any Seahawks fans that were traumatized by that play). The guys on both teams played with intensity for the entire game, believing that their play could help lead to a win. That's impressive no mater what uniform the player was wearing.
Why there is the need to appeal to some conspiracy theory is beyond me. The Pats are not the team everyone thought they might be this year, and that makes the AFC more competitive, the Steelers included. Interestingly, that Pats themselves continue to remind the NFL and its fans that it is not so easy to win in the NFL, they are at least good at giving themselves the opportunity to do that.
I was actually hoping that the Pats would loose, because they obviously have to face the Steelers in the playoffs, and loosing now would have been a greater motivation to their winning later. But that is a superstition born from their win over the Giants in the year they won everything but the Super Bowl, loosing it to the Giants...
I don't know what a pass is anymore either, but certainly many people looked at that play and concluded that it was not a pass by the current definition, and they were the ones officiating the game. That judgement is a part of the game, and in tight games, that judgement might very well determine the outcome, it did in this case.
Full disclosure, I am a life long (since 1961) Pats fan... who fully embraces their recent success after decades of being one of the worst franchises in the AFC... but most of you wouldn't remember that...
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:50am PT
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To all, I hope I wasn't eluding to a conspiracy. That's silly. IMO, we see these kind of plays being executed all the time while attempting to cross a first down marker, making forward progress, crossing the goal line etc. There's black and white to all this. No need for gray matter chat. It's one play, one play only.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:50am PT
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OK, after watching 15 replays I agree that he didn't have control of the ball.
He shoulda done a little aileron roll so he came down on his back, or
pulled the ball into his chest and crawled across the goal line.
Big Ben really made a bad decision on the next play throwing it out into
the flat to a well covered receiver. And then not spiking it for the FG?
Really bad decision. Oh, well, it'll make their playoff matchup even better!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:50am PT
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It is regrettable that the officiating was so loose.
The ball was not in possession, definitely.
Spilt milk, eh?
Big boys don't cry.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 18, 2017 - 02:24pm PT
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Fact? Nope. However, I respect your opinion Mouse and Reilly. So, we'll have to agree to disagree. Poor officiating. FACT!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 18, 2017 - 02:42pm PT
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Simple solution: Don't go to the ground. Don't throw the ball at the ground. Stand tall in the end zone, like a man.
And stand up for our National Anthem, too.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 18, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
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Disclaimer: Pats fan from 1985 growing up in NE.
I don't know about all the other calls or non calls in the game but this was a touchdown call and was automatically reviewed.
He had to maintain control going to the ground. His left elbow hit which forced his forearm and left hand up and his hand rotated completely backwards to the ball. The ball was held somewhat in place by his right hand, the back of his left hand, and the ground. It's clearly seen in one angle. He did not have control when the ball hit the ground.
He should have just secured the ball through the catch instead of reaching and I bet we will see more players do that at least until a possible rule change.
After the call the Steelers could have had multiple chances to punch it in or get a field goal for the tie. The Steelers screwed up the fake spike and the patriots stayed focused and forced the interception. That's a win.
Steelers are one of my top 4 teams and I always enjoy a good game when they play the Pats. When it looked like a TD I said to my son: well that was a good game. And then the last minute fireworks !
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 18, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
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I think it was the correct interpretation of the current rule. And the more I look at these controversial catches the more I think the rule is good. People say but it looked like a catch, then I say looked like a catch to who? You've got to have some clear guidelines that can be applied or these calls would be even more controversial.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 18, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
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We should adopt rugby rules. The ball has to be put on the ground.
No breaking the plane while you sail out of bounds. In rugby James
would have scored. He had the ball in his control even if he bobbled it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 24, 2017 - 01:53pm PT
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Thr Niners might have something going with Garoppolo!
He's lighting up the Jaguars!
Another crappy start for Russel Wilson. 3/9 I think he needs to get
more sleep at night instead of during the first halves of his games.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 24, 2017 - 04:09pm PT
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The Jason Garret show? Really? Maybe he should focus on developing a winning team.
Elliot spends six weeks vacationing in cabo on the team's dime. Rough suspension.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 28, 2017 - 05:24pm PT
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The PAC-12 has not done well in bowl games so far this winter, but things start up in earnest tonight.
Oregon was blown out by Boise in Las Vegas. (Duh, Boise always wins the Las Vegas Bowl.)
Utah had a great victory over West Virginia. Utah coach Whittingham has won all but one of the bowl games he's coached Utah in. (and that one loss doesn't count, since it was against Boise in the Las Vegas Bowl, see above.)
Then Arizona lost to Purdue & UCLA lost to Kansas State.
Sooooo! The PAC-12 can start to redeem itself tonight with Stanford vs Texas Christian, previously know as C.U.N.T. (Christian University of North Texas.)
And my beloved WSU plays Michigan State in the Holiday Bowl, at the same time Stanford is playing.
Go PAC-12!
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