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fragglerockjoe
Trad climber
space-man from outer space
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Feb 19, 2018 - 10:52pm PT
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I have been trying to improve my grammar skills and mentioned something about teachers earlier today. This is what I see. The language teacher speaks properly, while the physical education coach curses up a storm. The band teacher is a jerk and the the social studies teacher just incompetent. Therefore at the end of the day, who do students have to look up to as our example of how to communicate properly?
Like every profession, some teachers are there to help people learn while others are there for only a pay check. Proper evaluations of teachers to weed out incompetent ones is what's needed.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2018 - 12:28am PT
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sierra ledge rat: rottingjohnny: I'm waiting for the day when some armed psycho walks into congress and unloads a few AR-15 clips into our upstanding republicans... Me, too, brother. Me, too.
Party at my house when it does happen, y'all are invited.
Regardless of your partisan position, it's some pretty psycho sh|t to post up those last two comments! You two seriously should be ashamed (and probably locked up).
Look in a mirror and get a grip! Obviously the crazies are not all in "the other party."
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 20, 2018 - 05:39am PT
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Wtf?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 20, 2018 - 08:21am PT
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Walking to school in the 21st century:
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jeff_scott
Trad climber
Lodi
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Feb 20, 2018 - 09:43am PT
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I admit it, all the problems in education are my fault. Don't worry I retire in 63 working days after faking it for 33 years.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 20, 2018 - 09:48am PT
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How hard was it to fake it in Lodi? 😝
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jeff_scott
Trad climber
Lodi
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Feb 20, 2018 - 11:30am PT
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Hocking June 2 for me. Turning 60 in May and retirement 3 weeks later. I get to retire a bit early thanks to NKE stocks. 26 years of teaching English as a second language and 5 or 6 years of Social Studies. With a few other subjects and special programs mixed in.
Reilly- not hard at :)
Time to work wine industry or something a bit until my kid graduates high school, old dad here.
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Barbarian
climber
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Feb 20, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
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1. Teachers are the most underpaid workforce in America! This is more a condition of American values than anything else.
2. A large percentage of American teachers are misplaced in the profession.
3. In order to be an effective teacher and transitional figure, you must possess the following:
 a belief that every human being has a human potential they have not yet reached.
a belief in yourself that you you can make a difference in the lives of young persons.
an unabiding distaste for simple answers to complex problems, and a commitment to Instilling in young persons a thirst gor knowledge and new experiences.
I fully agree. I am fortunate to know a number of truly fine teachers - teachers that are sought out by their former students years after graduation. Teachers whose former students run up to them in town and take selfies. Teachers whose students thank them for making a positive contribution to their success 10, 15, 20 years after their graduation.
What makes them so valuable? They teach you what you need to know to pass the class, but also instill a life-long thirst for knowledge.
Teachers like this are worth far more than any school board would be willing to pay or could pay.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 20, 2018 - 01:40pm PT
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Walking to school in the 21st century:
uhhhh....that picture WAS "waking to school" for black people in the mid 20th century.
Maybe "walking to school" 100 years from when that image was taken, would show young people moving from their kitchen with a snack to a section of a room set up for a virtual classroom.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 20, 2018 - 02:50pm PT
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uhhhh....that picture WAS "waking to school" for black people in the mid 20th century.
No kidding!?
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Feb 20, 2018 - 03:22pm PT
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I was on campus at the University of Alabama during the 1963 admission of two black students. Several of us math grad students were in a class in numerical analysis when we heard a cannon go off. One of my fellow students said, "I hope they hit the son of a bitch [Wallace] this time!"
Chuckles all around.
The cannon was a relic near the ROTC building, I think.
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jonnyrig
climber
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May 15, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
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Hey Tad...
I'm out. Gave notice today.
Hiring the wrong teachers? Yeah. I don't fit.
Paying too little? Yeah, I'll be making more money in the field.
You gotta love teaching to make a career out of it. No doubt about that.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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May 15, 2018 - 02:23pm PT
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RANT:
Teachers = Good people in a totally failing system.
Today's public education system is in a dwindling spiral and it will likely be utterly shattered before it gets better.
Massive incompentence at the Universities in teaching teachers.
NO ONE is in charge and we are in a stone age of learning.
All students could learn to read in vocabularies ten times what public schools now produce. Plus everyone can do math at high levels of application as needed. Creativity in arts, engineering and business skills for every single human can be at genius level (by today's standards) for everyone.
The problem is the folks in the universities are clueless. Why? The psych deparments. They think humans are like rats. Humans are not rats and never will be.
The solutions are easy:
1. In order to understand anything, you need to understand the words being used.
2. All education needs to apply to real world not fancy excersizes.
3. The curriculum for everyone should be the same, except for improvements, so that teachers can focus on making sure the students get it.
4. Each human studies and learns at their own speed. And they need to get 100% on every test before being allowed on.
I envision a world where kids can write and do advanced math by age 10. They should be starting paid work at about age 8 on a part time basis. By age 18 those who choose the PHD route would have it. Others would be executives in corporations or running their own start ups.
It can be totally done.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Redwood City
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May 15, 2018 - 02:28pm PT
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^^^ can't tell if this is sarcasm/tongue in cheek commentary, I guess my public education has left me wanting in that department.
If not, one of the most rambling, incoherent posts I have read in awhile...
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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May 15, 2018 - 05:46pm PT
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The problem is the folks in the universities are clueless. Why? The psych deparments. They think humans are like rats. Humans are not rats and never will be.
I suspect the problem is more like this:
1. People figured out that kids have emotions and they need to be managed with care. Child abuse is bad.
2. Parents had good-intentioned over-correction that praised kids for existing and placed few demands on them. It is challenging to be a parent and avoid child abuse while also enforcing firm boundaries and persistent attention to stuff the kids don't want to do. Most people haven't figured this out.
3. Schools towed the line as expected by the parents, again a good-intentioned over-correction that yielded: too much praise just for existing, insufficient distinction for hard work and achievement; and softening of standards until what formerly constituted a "C" performance is now treated as an "A" performance. You barely have to breathe and show up to class to get a "C" nowadays.
4. Kids raised in this environment don't have the coping skills to deal with real adversity or difficult problems that require sustained attention and effort. Further, they get resentful and use whatever power at their disposal to lash out when someone tries to enforce a standard that demands such. When you act like an old person and start a sentence with "in my day" they just think you were abused and it is not fair to expect that of people nowadays.
My wife was schooled through Ph.D. level in Italy, and went through a series of frustrations as a university professor in America. When she created her first coursework for molecular biology, she had to dump half the expected material, and then half again, to reach a level where the students would not rebel and complain. Basically, the students getting a bachelor's deree at a university with a pretty good reputation in USA are learning less than 25% of what my wife had to learn at the nearest good university in Italy. For each class, they had each student at the front in an oral exam with the professor, and all the class in the audience. The professor would hop between topics probing for weaknesses in the students' knowledge over the course of a year of material, and dig in deeper whenever the student showed any signs of faltering.
Can you imagine that happening in USA today? The teacher would be fired for being abusive to the poor children.
In the USA, teacher performance and tenure (at least at university level) is in part dependent on ratings from students, and those ratings are very tightly correlated with how easy or difficult the class is.
Of course there are plenty of exceptions, but it seems this is more the norm than the exception nowadays. I think lots of people have recognized this trend ("the millenial generation"), and more parenting effort these days is focused on positive discipline, creating boundaries, etc. while also not abusing the kids.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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May 15, 2018 - 06:27pm PT
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20 or less students per classroom
double teacher pay
there is a starting point......
(I am presently teaching 4th grade with 34 students.....)
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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May 16, 2018 - 06:36am PT
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@Todd: Hey, thought you retired? Substituting?
@NutAgain: OMG, you nailed it so well. The watering down of education is a huge, huge problem. I resolved that I would hold the line when I became a teacher at the community college level. I gave F's and D's to many, many students. Many more just dropped.
Joke: How do you make a college student drop your course?
Punchline: Require home work and enforce standards.
I typically lost one third to one half of my classes. It wasn't unheard of to have single digit classes passing in my upper level courses. One of my female colleagues with similar standards was called "Hitler in a skirt" by one student! We laughed or asses off.
Pretty sad, really. But I'm out! Retired life in Bishop is bitchin'. Did a bunch of climbing in Pine Creek yesterday instead of being disappointed--again--in the lame efforts of so many of my students.
BAd
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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May 16, 2018 - 06:52am PT
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(I am presently teaching 4th grade with 34 students.....) I thought you retired too!
Must be a change from those KG'ers:-)
When this country gets serious about education I'll come back to teach from overseas. I think however that I'll be retired by then.
To understand the US educational system and how screwed up it has become look no further than the past Presidential elections.
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