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WBraun
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Feb 26, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
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You guys are the MSM clowns here.
Everytime MSM spits something out you rush over here to regurgitate it here.
You fools believe everything coming out of that propaganda machine .....
You clowns are as brainwashed as Trump. There's no difference.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Feb 26, 2017 - 04:15pm PT
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Crankster wrote:
This anti-MSM nonsense...hard to know where the brainwashing began....talk radio, I suppose.
Oh, I think the brainwashing has always been a part of religion and politics. 'Way before radio. Yes, we need to keep laughing most robustly. I'm for freedom, especially in the mountains. :) And of the press as well. But we must realize that there is a market shift of significant proportions. How long can dead tree news stay meaningful? A technologically more sophisticated audience with more options is going to shop around for reliable news sources. Reuters seems pretty good. I have very few complaints with the Economist. By and large, the WSJ seems to be factual. But when anyone can publish through a social network directly, what does MSM have left but commentary and interpretation? When instead of sending out a press release, people send out a tweet?
It's a new game, how we share information, as big a leap as the printing press, probably much more so.
So much of the MSM has relied on market share to drive revenue from advertising that I wonder how their revenue streams are holding up against the freedom of the press that we currently enjoy with such offerings as YouTube, etc. Is Julian Assange still around?
feralfae
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Feb 26, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
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thanks yury...
i don't know which is worse: manipulating authority... or followers whose hope/cynicism springs eternal.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:11pm PT
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Thanks FPU.
I'm so glad Fox got caught at pulling one of these shenanigans! I wonder who is keeping score of all these exposures. I hope someone has a score card. It will be interesting to see at the end of a year or two how audiences shift and re-group.
Yes, the medium is the message. The message seems to be fairly clear: we have entered a time of communication anarchy, where there is a significant lowering of the hierarchy of hurdles to gain entry into the Global conversation and commerce.
The hubris of Fox, thinking they could get away with such blatant ethical violations and not get caught, is amusing. Their hunger for sensationalism is revolting. But I must admit that I find CNN and all of MSM no less guilty of such hubris.
(feralfae climbs down off her soapbox)
ff
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
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I wonder how many obama phones were used to post in this thread?
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
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I wonder who is keeping score of all these exposures. I hope someone has a score card.
for many years now there has been a very good media watchdog keeping track
https://mediamatters.org
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
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Norton, thank you, but they are hardly an unbiased source of news.
"Media Matters for America is a far-left activist organization with strong ties ... Since 2004, Media Matters has monitored conservative media and ..." from a link on the front page of my search engine, and by their own self-identification, a progressive outfit. And I certainly don't trust the far-right either.
I will look around and see if I can find a source that is least biased.
Thank you though.
ff
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:34pm PT
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I wonder how many obama phones were used to post in this thread?
You are aware, I hope, that what you call an "obama phone" has been available to people for something like thirty years.... The Lifeline Assistance program was started during Reagan's time in office.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
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Excellent plan, but when I enter a site, and it shows a strong bias in its initial images and a sensationalist style of writing, I am immediately turned off by what I perceive to be "yellow journalism". But you are right. I will go back and examine a few of their offerings, and delve into their bombastic style, cringing, and then, as far as I am able, I will weigh what I find against other sources of knowledge.
Thank you for the suggestion, which pointed out my own bias against flamboyance in the press to me. Maybe blinking neon and twirling sunbursts are necessary for some viewers. I will give your suggestion a try.
Thank you.
ff
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
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Norton, do you even know the difference between "lies" and "fake news"?
Why the hate to conflate?
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Feb 26, 2017 - 06:40pm PT
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I had no idea what an obama phone was. Huh.
I don't have a cell phone, either. Threw it in the Kootenai River years ago, which was irresponsible of me, but got rid of a lot of stress.
I must go do some research based on crankster's excellent suggestion.
ff
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 26, 2017 - 07:53pm PT
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Pyro gets his news from Cosmic...Give him a break...rj
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 07:55pm PT
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Norton, do you know the difference between "lies" and "fake news"?
yes I do, Blu
but it seems you do not and are still confused about it
start by googling it and do some reading to help you out, good luck Blu
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 08:31pm PT
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TGT also refers to "the Obamaphone." S does my own brother-in-law. This is a pretty good example of why we shouldn't just blindly accept news sources, because I am pretty sure they read/heard it "somewhere."
And ya know what? Then I searched THE NEW YORK TIMES - IT CAME UP!!!!!
Yes it certainly did. In the default search, which looks through "All since 1851" - it came up
Once. In 2015.
The F.C.C. Should Help the Poor Get Online
And Lifeline’s $1.7 billion annual spending will not grow. Some critics of Lifeline derisively refer to it as “Obamaphone,” even though it was created under President Reagan. While there have been cases of fraud —
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Feb 26, 2017 - 08:56pm PT
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Why the hate on for political threads?
So long as there's only one or two going at a time I don't think they interfere too much with the other topics.
I'm interested in what climbers think about stuff, even if I disagree with them.
Guess because we still have something in common.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 26, 2017 - 09:14pm PT
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Ahh sh#t verizon just told me i used up all my data!
Dumbass
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 26, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
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99% of the links that pyro, cosmic, and tgt post are fake news.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Feb 27, 2017 - 12:13am PT
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^^^^
if you would've used "poor fund of knowledge" in there and i hadn't looked at the name, i would've assumed those lines were coming from a smoking duck... :)
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Feb 27, 2017 - 06:26am PT
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Crankster, I am still reviewing. The site you linked has a lot of soft sensationalism (just like the other side seem to be doing as well) and is pretty snarky, but the first several articles I read led me to learn this:
Press members who had been identified individually tried to crash an invitation-only press event at the White House and were turned away by the Press Secretary. A dramatic word-based kerfuffle apparently ensued. Some press members without invitations were denied admission. Other press members who had been invited were admitted. Then ones who were not admitted tried to reinterpret the actions of the Press Secretary as an attack on all press. That is not the case. But Trump had called the MSM the enemy of the people. That was his opinion, which upset many of those involved.
In denying entry to select individuals, did any executive branch people break any laws? Not that I could discover.
Did Trump break any laws, or simply exercise his social prerogative through his representative, the Press Secretary? Again, I could not discover that either of them broke any laws.
(The press, the site you sent me to being a prime example, appears especially offended and pouting at not getting to swing their weight, deliver editorialized questions, or simply make statements of their political positions, at the White House press conferences as they are used to doing.)
Did Trump shut down any media outlets? Not that I could discover.
Did the press members who were excluded examine their own actions? Not that I could discover.
Was any member of the press threatened? Was the press threatened? Not that I could discover.
As I interpret this, some press members were denied entry to an invitation-only press event. Other press members were invited. The ones not invited have blown this out of proportion and claimed that Trump is denying First Amendment Rights. Some individual people were excluded, but not the press as a whole. My understanding is that the Press Secretary has the right and power to determine which press representative attend these press events. My old press card would not get me admitted, I am sure.
I will explore further.
Thank you for the suggestion.
ff
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