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zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 21, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
Holy Terrorism Batman


When does something cross the line into terrorism. Does it depend on having a cell phone?

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground


“Drone strikes have been sold to the American public on the claim that they’re ‘precise’. But they are only as precise as the intelligence that feeds them. There is nothing precise about intelligence that results in the deaths of 28 unknown people, including women and children, for every ‘bad guy’ the US goes after,” said Reprieve’s Jennifer Gibson, who spearheaded the group’s study.
WBraun

climber
Feb 21, 2016 - 07:04pm PT
Terrorists don't use iPhones.

You've been 0wned .......
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Feb 21, 2016 - 07:47pm PT
While we are on the topic of definitions and low quality debate. The proper term is "SAFE Deposit Box".

There is no such thing as a Safety Deposit Box.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 21, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
"War on Drugs"

"War on Communism"

"War on Terrorism"

"It's for the children"

L-I-E-S

1984 was an instruction manual.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 22, 2016 - 03:33am PT
But no. If you're in government, YOU don't do the work - especially if it involves thinking ahead, or just thinking - you use force and coercion...

Exactly the sort of generic hyperbole which, while used to great effect over the past fifty years, just turned on the gop and ate it whole.
ECF

Big Wall climber
Ridgway CO
Feb 22, 2016 - 03:58am PT
I think it was Plato who said,
"Democracy is inherently flawed, as all opinion are not equal."

Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who would trade liberty for safety, deserve neither."

Do I need to add more, from Helen Keller, Josef Göebbels, Harry S. Truman, Noam Chomsky, etc.?

Or shall we just stick to the more modern great thinkers like W...
"If you're not with us, then you're against us."
"Fool me once, shame on you. Won't get fooled again."


Defend the constitution at all costs.
Anything else is treason.

But treason is the law of the land now, as we vote ourself more bread and circuses.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 22, 2016 - 05:10am PT
But treason is the law of the land now.

More of the same...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 22, 2016 - 06:30am PT
Terrorists don't use iPhones.

You've been 0wned .......

Exactly right... I believe the mafia (greatly funded by the "War on Alcohol") figured out a long time ago not to use phones.

The real criminals aren't discussing plans on I-thingies...
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 07:04am PT
Milktoast,

Brown Shirts
..............
all because they are scared.

And on the other side:

It seems the yellow shirts are quite scared of losing their P-R-I-V-A-C-Y in this matter.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 07:17am PT
Calls don't go through...


you probably don't know how to use them?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 22, 2016 - 07:30am PT
I grew up in Chicago. Those guys weren't afraid of using phones.

"Vinny, let's talk! Meet me at Angelo's. We'll have some pasta."

Our favorite pizza joint had a back room with 'Employees Only' on the door. Saw a lotta guys
go through that door that didn't look like they made pizza for a living. Ya know what I mean?
WBraun

climber
Feb 22, 2016 - 07:48am PT
I lived in downtown Chicago too.

Rough town man.

You have fight to survive there ....
Norton

Social climber
Feb 22, 2016 - 09:18am PT
San Bernardino victims to oppose Apple on iPhone encryption

Some victims of the San Bernardino attack will file a legal brief in support of the U.S. government's attempt to force Apple Inc to unlock the encrypted iPhone belonging to one of the shooters, a lawyer representing the victims said on Sunday.

Stephen Larson, a former federal judge who is now in private practice, told Reuters that the victims he represents have an interest in the information which goes beyond the Justice Department's criminal investigation.

"They were targeted by terrorists, and they need to know why, how this could happen," Larson said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-victims-exclusive-idUSKCN0VV00B
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 12:51pm PT
Apple vs. FBI: Feds Have More Support, Survey Says



http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/apple-vs-fbi-feds-have-more-support-tech-giant-survey-n523686

It is time to kick that $$middle man$$ giant in the ass.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 22, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
If those shooters had a safety deposit box and the bank refused to attempt to open the box, claiming that opening the box would cause them to lose their customers trust, or more outrageously, that opening the box would encourage thieves to break into their bank, would you all feel the same way?

If Apple's encryption is genuinely impossible or unduly difficult to break, they should be proud to say that. Otherwise, I can't see how they can simply refuse to help

The analogy would be the safe deposit box has a fail safe to destroy all inside unless you use the only key. The fbi is forcing the manufacturer of the box to create a skeleton key that will open any box. And oh yeah every time the fbi has a skeleton key before it lost a copy and thieves ended up with it. And you have the account numbers and passwords to the accounts with your life savings in your safe deposit box.

Yes I'd feel the same way. I'm not going to give up my privacy for something that may or may not help in a single terrorism case. And terrorism in general has less of a chance of killing you than being hit by lightning. If you really want to reduce risk lets make the speed limit 45 mph nationwide. That would save about 20,000 Americans per year. Way more than have ever been killed by terrorists. Sound good?

Apples encryption IS impossible to break. The fbi wants them to create a new operating system that defeats the encryption. Experience has shown if this is done that special OS will be leaked and it will render apples encyption worthless.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 22, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
Yes I'd feel the same way. I'm not going to give up my privacy for something that may or may not help in a single terrorism case. And terrorism in general has less of a chance of killing you than being hit by lightning. If you really want to reduce risk lets make the speed limit 45 mph nationwide. That would save about 20,000 Americans per year. Way more than have ever been killed by terrorists. Sound good?

You have no idea what the chances are being killed by a terrorist are unless you have access to classified information.
Just noting how many people have been killed by terrorists in the past doesn't necessarily give meaningful information as to what may happen in the future.
As they say, on the day before Thanksgiving, the turkey may think the odds of him being eaten by the nice man who gives him food are zero.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 22, 2016 - 03:38pm PT
I have a very good idea of my chance of being killed by a terrorist are. EXTREMELY small. If you are worried about terrorism you are buying into the media sensastionalism and thinking exactly how the terrorists want you to think.

I suggest you take a basic statistics class blahblah. Even if there were a huge terrorist attack it would only slightly change the statistics. Compare that to 30,000 people killed in car crashes every year in America. What's the real danger?

And aren't you a climber? You take that risk but are worried about terrorism?

If the news covered all car crashes like they cover terrorism people would see where there real risks are and slow done / stop texting and driving / etc. and that would save WAY more lives than giving up privacy and freedom for terrorism.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 22, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
Just noting how many people have been killed by terrorists in the past doesn't necessarily give meaningful information as to what may happen in the future.

That sword cuts all ways, rendering all extrapolation from the past to the future irrelevant. Is that really how you want to argue?

Fet's point is well-taken, IMO. The USA is in a general panic over something incredibly unlikely to happen to any of us as individuals, which is just as stupid as millions of people getting into a froth about buying lottery tickets when the payout is high; their froth about it doesn't change the fact that again and again NONE of them are going to win (which is how the pay-out increases each "round").

Eventually somebody is going to win the lottery; eventually somebody is going to be killed in a terrorist act. But the odds of either are incredibly unlikely re. individuals.

The gubmint has gone far enough, in fact way too far, down the road of insisting on knowing every tiny and private detail of my life! Time to call a halt, Americans, and even march on Washington to tell the pricks to BACK OFF a LOT from where they already are. They don't get more; they get much less!
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
the Fet,

comparing auto deaths to death from terrorism? In auto deaths a high percentage of these people were the drivers of the crash vehicle or as killed passengers they consented to riding with the careless driver.

In death by terrorism 100% of these victims did not get to chose to not be a participant. They are pure victims without a choice.

The courts charges reflect this difference. Terrorists killing people are charged with 1st degree murder and a careless driver may get manslaughter.

It seems you guys suffer memory loss big time. An historical event is called 911. There could be more.

My private life must be boring -- the guy climbs on rock -- crazy man.

I don't need no stinkin privacy you Lilliputians cowards of data loss.

BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 22, 2016 - 04:19pm PT
I have a lot of affection for the 4th amendment. It is very clear, but court cases have constantly been reinterpreting it for ages.

Me? I will take the chance of dying from a terrorist than another which gives the government access to ALL of my data. Who knows what a guy like Trump would do with that data if he set his mind to it.

The problem is that it isn't temporary. It is permanent. Once they get that data they have it forever. Hasn't anyone mentioned that massive storage facility about to open in Utah?

Screw the NSA. I love to write emails and in the middle drop key words that they must look for, like Dirty Bomb. Just to try to waste their time.

My friends are used to it.
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