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Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 10, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
2 things progressives hate:
1. Patriotism
2. Someone questioning their patriotism

2 other things progressives hate:
1. Religion
2. Someone questioning their religion

OK, I'm saying that in fun, but I think I see it in reality sometimes.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 10, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
2 things Republicans hate:
1. Americans
2. Someone questioning their patriotism

2 other things Republicans hate:
1. Integrity
2. Someone questioning their integrity


Fixed that for ya
dirtbag

climber
Nov 10, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
They hate facts, too.
John M

climber
Nov 10, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
I hate generalizations..








generally
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 10, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
They like to blow Fox Business moderators though. They all agree on that.
Jorroh

climber
Nov 10, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
"After the recent politicization of the IRS"

can you explain that to me?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 10, 2015 - 09:50pm PT
"After the recent politicization of the IRS"
can you explain that to me?

Start with this impartial link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lerner#2013_controversy

Edit:
And whatever your views on the controversy, near half the country believes the IRS has been politicized.
Is it healthy for a government agency with the powers of the IRS to be perceived by so many as a political arm?
Just sayin

Edit:
Apogee:
Touche'...LOL
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Nov 11, 2015 - 05:56am PT
Sound bites from last night's Replicant debate;
"I'm the wealthiest most successful loud mouth douchbag in the history of the universe! I will be the most bad ass motherf*#king president ever coronated in the history of the planet, bar none!" And, "Wages are to fricken high! I'm not gonna let a bunch of 'wetback losers' prosper during 'my' administration, they're FIRED!!" Or, "Build a freakin' wall, problem solved, BAM!!"

Who talks like that?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 11, 2015 - 07:28am PT
Archie Bunker?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 11, 2015 - 07:47am PT
Progressives seem to have a problem with diversity and tolerance, too.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-intolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/

Professor Nicholas Christakis lives at Yale, where he presides over one of its undergraduate colleges. His wife Erika, a lecturer in early childhood education, shares that duty. They reside among students and are responsible for shaping residential life. And before Halloween, some students complained to them that Yale administrators were offering heavy-handed advice on what Halloween costumes to avoid.

Erika Christakis reflected on the frustrations of the students, drew on her scholarship and career experience, and composed an email inviting the community to think about the controversy through an intellectual lens that few if any had considered. Her message was a model of relevant, thoughtful, civil engagement.

For her trouble, a faction of students are now trying to get the couple removed from their residential positions, which is to say, censured and ousted from their home on campus. Hundreds of Yale students are attacking them, some with hateful insults, shouted epithets, and a campaign of public shaming. In doing so, they have shown an illiberal streak that flows from flaws in their well-intentioned ideology.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-professor-melissa-click-muscle-journalist-tim-tai-protest/

Hey, who wants to help me get this reporter out of here?...I need some muscle over here.

Norton

Social climber
Nov 11, 2015 - 08:01am PT
Maybe we need IQ tests to vote?

good point!

we should go with what the Founding Fathers put in place for voting

youi had to be a white male land owner
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2015 - 08:23am PT
Werner posted
The former U.S. comptroller general says the real U.S. debt is closer to about $65 trillion than the oft-cited figure of $18 trillion.

The crankloons running America lying?

To get that number he added all of the obligations that America will be responsible for in the future based on current commitments. It's a pretty gimmicky way to make an impressive number. It strikes me as similar to adding all of your 5-year old's future college tuition bills to your current debt. The US has currently borrowed about $18 trillion and whether or not we borrow more in the future depends entirely on our budgetary decisions and if we decide to keep those commitments or not. Congress seems fond of dropping commitments it does not want to keep.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 11, 2015 - 08:29am PT
"Congress seems fond of dropping commitments it does not want to keep."

Congress & POTUS's are fond of dropping the cost of commitments onto future generations. Give everybody a chicken, then let the next guy in office make the taxpayers pay for it.

Like the Iraq war and all that.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 11, 2015 - 08:33am PT
The former U.S. comptroller general says the real U.S. debt is closer to about $65 trillion than the oft-cited figure of $18 trillion.

That needs to be said twice. All these damn politicians are lying to us. Thank you, Werner.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2015 - 08:36am PT
Apparently, what needs to be said twice is "no, the US debt is not really $65 trillion."


No, the US debt is not really $65 trillion.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 11, 2015 - 08:42am PT
It's a pretty gimmicky way to make an impressive number. It strikes me as similar to adding all of your 5-year old's future college tuition bills to your current debt.

Not really. It's just a different total. Kind of like to total for a fully amortized mortgage.

What's gimmicky is how the Federal government will reduce spending increases (8% instead of 10%), and claim they've reduced spending.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2015 - 08:50am PT
Debate thoughts:

The FOX Business team clearly learned the lessons of Megyn Kelly and the CNBC crew and were on their best behavior. By "best" I mean "least journalistic." This produced interesting results. A lot of the coverage after the CNBC debate pointed out that most of the moments of failure on the part of presidential candidates comes when they are answering relatively mundane questions and the world falls apart on them. Think Sarah Palin being asked the complicated and confusing question "which magazines and newspapers do you regularly read?" The candidates were far more free to recite the talking points, obviously a position of comfort for them, but this often showed how shallow those points really were. They were often stuck essentially saying "me too" or in the rare instance, actually debating with each other. I have to say, I was heartened when a significant amount of the audience applauded Bush's rebuttal to Trump's immigration argument, a moment of real decency for both Bush and that segment of the Republican audience.

The biggest thing I walked away with (or drifted off to sleep with, as the case was) was that Rubio is very slick and he is going to prove himself very deft at making negatives seem like positives. If people thought that it was outrageous when Dubya named legislation to increase air pollution the Clear Skies Act, Rubio is going to be far more effective at this kind of thing. His answer to the minimum wage question was very deft indeed.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 11, 2015 - 09:05am PT
Whether you call them members of the "Tea Party" or the "Republicans," this video exquisitely - and accurately -characterizes them both:

[Click to View YouTube Video]
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 11, 2015 - 09:08am PT
Why do you suppose they chose $65 trillion as the magic fabricated number?

Why not $238 trillion?

Or a quadrillion?

Or a bazillion?

I mean, it's not about facts, it's about inflaming as much of the base as possible. The more hyperbolic, the better, right RepubDroids?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 11, 2015 - 09:14am PT
apogee,
You think that's bad, George W Bush thinks the debt is over a Brazilian
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