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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
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AE,
when my fellow students were still in HS I had a degree and apartment in NYC supporting myself working full time for a subcontractor of NASA.
Putting up routes I take the 5-10 X as long to place drilled angles because they are better.
I am sick of anonymous flamers questioning my work ethic, and I won't apologize for being a descendant of others who have done well. I am proud of it.
AE, just what have you done for the climbing community?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sep 25, 2012 - 11:15pm PT
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Tokerville Ron said: "I am sick of anonymous flamers"
Ditto
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 26, 2012 - 12:17am PT
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I am pissed now! I am supposed to be packing to leave for facelift, alpine start tomorrow, instead I am laughing my ass off reading this thread. I got as far as Tami's remark about people wanting a taste of MC's messages to Ron, that was some funny sh#t.
On a more serious note, I would be interested in a signed LK pin if the money went directly to him, Ron?
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Sep 26, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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Oopsie!
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AE
climber
Boulder, CO
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oooo, looks like I hit a nerve, eh?
First, Locker, your granpa's going to be pissed when he sees his picture in your posts.
It's been days since I checked here, because, like, I had to go to work.
In re-reading I realize I sort of merged two areas into one gripe, so for clarification:
I did not mean to say that anyone living on trust funds, or investments was dishonest - I was trying to clarify how many, especially in Boulder, are so judgmental about others' behavior, occupations, etc. when it is clear they personally have never had to worry about being laid off, or driving an hour each way to the only job they were able to land. The point I meant to make was about the judgmental aspect, not how any one person came into their money.
Ron's father was apparently an extraordinary classical musician, for those who don't know. I don't read anything here suggesting even a connection to him at all, so this "apologize for descendant" thing comes out of the blue. I have no problem with any legacy passed down to you. I never heard the NASA thing before, but sounds interesting.
Ron, you have clearly left a serious resume of routes, but moreover a unique solution to a problem, that evolved into a well-established style for stabilizing the otherwise inevitable damage to popular aid climbs, especially applicable to softer rocks, but appropriate even in places like Yosemite. I would not credit your efforts in this area as philanthropic, because you clearly did WTF you wanted, inciting the ire of many who disagreed with you; only later did the validity of your approach catch on and receive belated credit. I applaud your dedication and perseverance but in no way confuse your play ethic (climbing) with your WORK ethic, since the latter is STILL UNKNOWN. This is where your judgmental attitude intrudes, because if you are living off an inheritance, you are immune to the market vagaries which Chessler has to live with.
This post began with light-hearted jabs at Chessler's business, but RON, you were the first to go personal, way off OP, re: Kor, dollars, personal management, dollars, etc. I have a sore spot for anyone who broadcasts their own "noble causes" to the world. Both Chessler and Ron come up short here, out-shouting about who did more for Kor (hey, that rhymes, let's use it for a Fundraiser).
Let anyone who feels they were personally assisted financially come forth and tell the story, rather than the "Giver" patting his own back. Or, if cheated, say that also.
Otherwise, if you want to help someone, by all means, give them some money, skip all middlemen, and don't brag about it.
There is "Community" and there is "Climbing", and I find it best not to confuse the two.
The only "contribution" I try to make is all I hope other climbers make, which is "don't f*ck things up for the next person."
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