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stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Sep 12, 2012 - 10:18pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html

The Bush adminstration didn't listen too closely to warnings, and was politically motivated. But we knew that already.

The gist of this piece is that there was plenty of evidence ahead of time that Al-Qaeda would do something. Which they did. And if they did, why would there be some elaborate separate conspiracy to do something else?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 12, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
Everything is just speculation without a real investigation.

We know, from many sources, that the 9/11 Commission was a dog and pony show. Yet folks will suspend disbelief in order to convince themselves that they believe it.

The funny thing is, if you actually begin to look at the facts behind the report(s), the whole ball of wax starts to stink like rotting fish in a harbor.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Sep 12, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
Wasn't Bin Laden trained by the CIA in their insurgency camps to counter the Russian occupation of Afghanistan? I am pretty sure you will find documentation. Bush's henchmen took deception to a whole new level in case you are not aware.
Jaytee

Trad climber
U.K.
Sep 12, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
K-man, I'm not trying to be smart, I just wonder if you've actually looked into the possibility that that the relatives of those who died in that horrific crash have the same beliefs as you do. Sorry if I pissed you off before, sounding sarcastic in our previous exchanges, I didn't mean to. I just don't believe any of this stuff, and I'm the most cynical bastard around. I spent a year or two boring everyone senseless about JFK after reading the Garrison book until I finally realised it was all horseshit & Oliver Stone was gullible.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Sep 12, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
Jaytee . . . where have you been? Many of the people that have questioned the "official" record since the "incident" have been family members of 9/11 victims. This is well documented in case you wish to confirm this fact. Maybe you need to aim before you shoot.

Please review the video evidence and notice how the buildings drop straight down in a nice controlled demolition fashion. Don't you think a reckless collapse is much more likely if civilian aircraft and aviation fuel fires were the actual culprits. Really now!?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Sep 12, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
^^lol^^

Which direction does gravity work?

Did you think the buildings should have toppled over when they were struck?

The tops of wtc 1 and 2 rotated slightly in the direction of most damage, then came straight down. That's how gravity works.
Jaytee

Trad climber
U.K.
Sep 12, 2012 - 11:16pm PT
Kalimon- maybe you should aim before you shoot. I was addressing the Pentagon missile fantasy. Any relatives of those who died on the plane believe a missile hit too? It's all horseshit man. Werner doesn't believe planes hit the WTC, believes a missile hit the Pentagon. Ho man!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 12, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
Thx Jaytee.


I understand that things could have happened very close to the way the Official story tells. But I also see the changes that happened as a result of 9/11, the reactions of those in charge after it happened, and all the absurd coincidences that happened in order for things to play out as the story tells. It's like watching a Hollywood movie--You know that it could never happen in real life, but you go along with it anyhow. And maybe that's why I have a hard time with those types of action flicks--I can only suspend my disbelief for so long before I get bored.

There are so many things that make sense only if there was something screwy going on that my sensitivity meter started to get hair-triggered. Oh, this? Now that? What, they don't want to follow the money trail?? The puts on AA? The Bush had to be forced to convene the 9/11 Commission, than he stacked the deck with pigeons, on and on.

We know it didn't go down the way the the Official story tells it (those on the commission itself tell us so). So where does the fantasy story fade and the real one kick in?? Somebody knows, and they ain't telling.

And, for what it's worth, I don't believe in the Magic Bullet either.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 12, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
All scientific analysis of the way the building fell say that it was completely natural for them to fall that way W/O explosives or any kind of demolition

No, not "all". In fact, most analysis did not produce the results that the Official Story claimed. That's why FEMA handed over the analysis to NIST.

And isn't it odd that you will never know how they conducted their scientific analysis? You know, that sh#t be sealed.

"Believe me, it was totally natural."



OK, but isn't part of "science" being able to reproduce the results?

No, not here my friend. Take my word for it...
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Sep 13, 2012 - 12:18am PT
fyi, a number of relatives of the victims of 9/11 have become quite prominent in the truth movement. some of the first to do so were nicknamed "the jersey girls," several widows from new jersey who prodded president bush to establish the 9/11 commission. when the commission had done its work, its two principals, thomas kean and lee hamilton, pointed fingers at each other and beat their chests and called their own work a miserable failure. two of its glaring omissions were a complete failure to mention the issue of building 7 and a complete exclusion of the testimony of norman mineta, who witnessed dick cheney's standdown of defenses as the plane approached the pentagon.
Jaytee

Trad climber
U.K.
Sep 13, 2012 - 12:19am PT
Cheers K-man! Yep, I'm sure there are many unpleasant stories lurking in the undergrowth, and many questions needing answers. Much as I find the Bush /Cheney /Rumsfeld cabal deeply unpleasant, it just seems staggeringly unlikely that they were ' responsible' for 9/11. Maybe I'm staggeringly naive :) Best wishes.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 13, 2012 - 12:24am PT
Isn't it instructive that the Project Bojinka trial run was on December 9, a mere two days, after the anniversary date of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor?

Isn't it also interesting that Bush-Cheney completely disregarded this information when it was recapped to them?

Could it be that frustrated Project Bojinka recruits actually wired up WTC7 with explosives, leading to it's collapse in order to "show up" binladen for abandoning them?

Filipino authorities foiled a January 1995 plot to simultaneously explode 12 commercial jumbo jets on an Asian-Pacific route to the United States. It was uncovered after an apartment fire in Manila exposed the details.

Manila police discovered the plans on a laptop while searching the apartment of Ramzi Yousef, who would later be convicted of organizing the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The search was conducted two weeks before the scheduled attack dates, Jan. 21 and 22.

The plot was dubbed Project Bojinka by its planners. It was developed by Yousef and his uncle, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was identified by US officials as a rising aide to Osama bin Laden.

The plan was to use liquid explosives to down the planes over the Pacific , including United and Northwest airliners.

A trial run of the explosives was conducted on a Dec. 9, 1994, flight from Manila to Tokyo, prosecutors said.

Investigators said the bomb was assembled from liquid explosives, stored in a bottle of lens cleaner, and components from a modified digital watch. The bomb detonated under a seat, killing a Japanese passenger and injuring six. The Philippines Airlines flight made an emergency landing in Okinawa, Japan.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 13, 2012 - 12:47am PT
9/11 - the big cover-up?

Even the chair of the 9/11 Commission now admits that the official evidence they were given was 'far from the truth'.

...

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

There is certainly more, if you care to look...


Like here:

9/11 Commission report is a lie

...

Following are two of the more than 40 reasons why the official story about what happened on 9/11 is untrue.

First, who were the hijackers? We do not know. None of those named appear on any of the passenger lists released by the airlines. Most important, six of the men named by the government are still alive and have never even been to the United States. We know that because European media (as reported by The Associated Press, the London Telegraph and the BBC) have interviewed them. It is not a matter of mistaken identity not being noticed or someone using a false passport. The commission insists that the people they named were the hijackers but that claim is demonstrably false.

...

Second, in the months after 9/11 all of the surviving New York City Fire Department personnel who were on the scene were interviewed. Those oral histories were recorded and withheld from the public until Aug. 15, 2005. Only after losing in court three times did the city of New York finally release them. All 503 are now posted on The New York Times Web site. Why did the city fight so hard to keep them from the public?

It turns out those oral histories reveal details about what was happening in the World Trade Center buildings that are completely inconsistent with the tale told by the commission. Dozens of firefighters and medics reported hearing, seeing and feeling explosives going off in the buildings that collapsed.


I don't know about you, but it raises my curiosity when firemen and medics report large explosions, yet all those eye-witness reports are subverted. For me, that's a RED FLAG.
Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Sep 13, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Sep 13, 2012 - 08:56pm PT
Sparky,
Thanks for the video. Pretty thought provoking.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 4, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Yeah, this old stuff again.

I thought this video contained some interesting "new" footage:

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Gene

climber
Jun 4, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 4, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
rSin, you mean Susan Lindauer?

[Click to View YouTube Video]
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
[youtube=player_embedded&v=hZEvA8BCoBw#!]
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[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hZEvA8BCoBw#!]

let's try this again (Taco's video links don't seem to work for me)

http://tinyurl.com/lff823x

15 minute summary film about building 7 collapse.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jun 4, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org or the video above with Ed Asner in the first 23 seconds explain “Now look at modern steel framing in buildings” and explains how they last forever and architects and engineers of today design buildings today that will endure the forces of nature like earthquakes, fires, and hurricanes.

CIA insider or asset Susan Lindauar is now back in custody for leaking new information:

CIA secretly welded the steel anchor rods to the new San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge knowing that they would especially become brittle and snap. The idea was for the bridge to collapse so it would be considered a terrorist attack since everyone knows steel never breaks under any condition including an earthquake, blast or fire.

They knew by not creating expansion joint and designs to better dissipate the energy of a blast/fire would look like the work of a terrorist cell. Plus the sound of the cables breaking would be like bombs going off.

She said the idea was planted by our own government to create chaos for new infrastructure since our bridges are aging with the recent one in the state of Washington north of Seattle and another by a train.

The CIA denied any thing to do with this because their work is exclusively for foreign and not domestic issues.
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