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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 25, 2010 - 09:33pm PT
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JLB tries to pull in Einstein to "prove".
JLB says this, "Einstien did. To my knowledge, he never came to personal relationship with God, but he acknowledged the lack of evidence of a non-creation beginning to the universe. Again - don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself."
OK, I am NOT taking your word, and I did check out Einstein, and what he
has to say CANNOT in any way be used to support your 13th century creationism.
Einstein even SAID he was an "atheist".
Here is what Einstein said about it:
“I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. Your counter-arguments seem to me very correct and could hardly be better formulated. It is always misleading to use anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human sphere—childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful harmony of the structure of this world as far—as we can grasp it. And that is all.”
“The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve.”
“I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.… This is a somewhat new kind of religion.”
“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.”
“The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously.”
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Here, more evidence-
re: global warming (aka climate change)
"The point is, because we're not certain, because it's not proven, the last thing we should do is penalize our economy... The science of global warming is unproven. It just is."
Ron Johnson, millionaire businessman
Repulican candidate for U.S. Senate, Wisconsin
America, 2010
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JLB
Trad climber
Smiths, AL
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I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being. (Albert Einstein)
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of "humility." This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism. (Albert Einstein)
We know nothing about [God, the world] at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. Possibly we shall know a little more than we do now. but the real nature of things, that we shall never know, never. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, Page 208)
Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)
In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)
What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos. (Albert Einstein to Joseph Lewis, Apr. 18, 1953)
Again, my point was that Einstein questioned his beliefs and all beliefs. He acknowledged the lack of knowledge man has, even though he was probably one of the most brilliant men ever. I never said he believed in God, I knew completely where he stood on that.
Peace.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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"but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is..."
Then again, Einstein lived in a different era. He never felt the urgency (as do millions today) wrought by the threat of a suitcase sized thermonuclear weapon placed in New York or San Francisco by the hands of a modern al Qaeda warrior (probably 21 - 35 years old) operating off of (an immature, uneducated) literal interpretation of a 2,000 year old theology to smite the infidel.
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dirtbag
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Science and the pursuit of knowledge are elitist endeavors.
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