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apogee
climber
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rokjox, git yer gun!
It's comin' right atcha!
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apogee
climber
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Quote from the article that spurred all this incredible dialogue:
"The rule overturns a Reagan-era regulation that has restricted loaded guns in parks and wildlife refuges."
I would assume that most of you pro-guns-in-NP's types are Repubs...? Any idea why your beloved demi-god role model Reagan would have espoused such a rule in the first place?
Edit: This question is not a troll or a trap- it would be interesting to know the Reagan administration's rationale for this rule...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It's very strange - the US says it is "the land of the free and the home of the brave". Although that's poetry, it has some resonance. Sadly, the discussion on this thread, and things like the supposed stampede to buy firearms after Obama was elected, suggests quite the opposite - a nation with many fearful and insecure people. As the rate of violent crime has been dropping steadily for 25+ years, notwithstanding a culture that often glorifies guns and violence, it's rather mystifying.
I will ignore paranoid improbabilities such as murders in national parks, and attacks by wildlife such as wolves, bears, or cougars. The true risk of any of those things happening is negligible.
And no matter what your constitution says, anything short of a nuclear weapon won't help those with anarcho-libertarian beliefs. God always fights on the side of the heaviest artillery, and that's Uncle Sam.
As has been observed, if the rate of violent crime in white middle-class suburbs was anything like what some fantasize it is, or like what it is in slums and barrios, middle America would quickly ensure that serious gun control occurred, and to hell with claimed constitutional rights.
And I'm still waiting to hear when the open season is on Ronbos, given that they're legal now. What's the bag limit? Any restrictions on weapons? Is it ok to tickle one?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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BOO!
Ya ducked, didn't you?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Anders,
you are mistaken.
It has been open season on Ronbo since before I remember.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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You (read we all) can thank GWB for that.. It's part of his final act of kindness!!!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Where are YOU from?
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Lois.....Didn't know ya had it in you.
Your best post, ever...Hands down.
Thank you.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jeez I hate to get back into this but carrying a gun into a national park (n the lower 48) is no right and absolutely unnecessary. If you're so damned worried about psycho killers get a kevlar vest for cryin' out loud. The proliferation of guns in this country has caused endless pain to large portions of our society, guns are romanticized as instruments of power and prestige among American youth and that is tragic. They really have very little use in a civil society. The idea that the constitution gives you the right to carry a gun were ever the hell you please is plainly stupid and irresponsible. Get over it, if you're too chicken sh+t to enter a NP without a gun then go someplace else; you won't be missed.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Well there you have it.
Pullmy Roel has the answer.
All you need is a kevlar vest and you can't be hurt.
Wow!
Why didn't someone think of that earlier?
Boy, its a good thing we have Pullmy here to pontificate and tell us all what to think.
(of course in HIS case he is not being an "arrogant azzhole" but rather performing a noble service to save us all from ourselves. Gee, how can we ever thank him?)
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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It's true about teachers in Utah, they need and should carry weapons but that's only because the Mormon tradition of marrying your closest relative produces some strange offspring. They're good banjo players though.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"It's true about teachers in Utah, they need and should carry weapons but that's only because the Mormon tradition of marrying your closest relative produces some strange offspring. They're good banjo players though."
Ron is proof!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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"It's true about teachers in Utah, they need and should carry weapons but that's only because the Mormon tradition of marrying your closest relative produces some strange offspring. They're good banjo players though."
"Ron is proof!"
I'm afraid you gentlemen have been in the hills a little too long. It's the FLDS who marry their nieces. Mormons have incest taboos.
Ron is Jewish. The Moshe Dayan of Washington County, some say. And if he requests a number from your banjos, you'd best comply.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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A Jewish Mormon, that's rough. Must've been hell growing up. Certainly explains the need to carry big weapons.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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hes proof that you need to carry guns in utah. He may not be Mormon but if he is in Utah, I will be Packing heat in Utah, he scares me more than a manbearpig.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Fatty, ive seen clips of that show.
Is that what your academy was like?
Looks like a f'in hilarious show, I kind of want to get cable so i can watch it!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Where are YOU from?
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Ron packing is knott a scary thing.
He's got a mind, and he ain't skeered to use it, I'm sure.
I thought Jews were illegal in Utah, though.(hehe)
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Utah keeps pretty current (and interesting) stat's on its CCW folks...
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/brady_statistics.html#
Been a couple of well publicized incidents in SLC of CCW folks brandishing and shooting (super dell, guy in church parking lot who shot his wife, etc). Yikes.
Couldn't find a decent comparison of the California stat's. I wonder the percentage comparison of denials and revocations. Be interesting, based on the differences in how a person in each state gets to carry concealed.
Anyhoo...
-Brian in SLC
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"Much tougher than that, BITD the DI's could get away with a lot more. Not this kinder and gentler era, they're probably not allowed to call anyone a maggot or F Face anymore. Lt. Choi was in my two best friends academy class."
My academy wasn't anything like that, i guess thats why they call us the hippies of law enforcement.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Now that's a cogent argument. I used to smoke a lot of that stuff too but gave it up for alcohol so people could understand me. Makes me feel good to know only the truly thoughtful have guns.
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