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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Apr 15, 2008 - 04:11am PT
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Yoooo the wisely armed climbers and we of the choir.....
Timely and accurate, a small 30/06 bullet will render harmless a much larger falling rock that would otherwise take out a helmet. Armed climbers are safe climbers.
The six hour Canadian border hassle could have been prevented with 24 hours more of learning certain KNOWLEDGE. But that knowledge would preclude 100 percent of all subsequent such hassles, across the spectrum of human perception of institutional force. Your choice. The norm among unquestioning people is obvious.
The Roman Empire lasted 800 years. The US empire about 230 years. Many humans are easily fooled a long time with rhetorical illusions they parrot rather than question.
The laws of physics trump (to use a pinochle metaphor), or prevail above, the traffic laws and all other human-made laws. The laws of reasoning trump all power-based laws, when you easily learn how to play your hand, as is verifiable. That noted, the existence of the laws of physics cannot excuse the failure to effectively question the human-made laws. Therefore why introduce it, if not to avoid asking those questions?
The common law is reasoning written as law, and protects the daughters of court judges, and is available to protect common folk who learn its process or it could be denied the daughters of judges, by law. Learn the law that protects the daughters of judges.
In a nation ruled by law rather than by verbal decree of a king or other personalities, basic knowledge of the law game is worth more than most all other knowledge, which is why you cannot have it without paying the price of asking questions rather than making statements that amuse to those who simply ask those questions.
Forming questions, not statements, creates knowledge in the human mind, by design.
FFL's, including my colleagues and relatives, are kept ignorant of the law they fail to sufficiently question, much to my amusement. They actually believe what they are told by government and thus parrot instead of question.
"We can arrest you for virtually anything. It's true." Thus quothe the amusingly pitiable senior federal law enforcement dolt who arrested me for the crime of my recording my arrest for the crime of my recording my.... Therefore with virtually anything already a crime in the US, why attempt to obey the law? Are not questions more indicated?
We criminals learn more from our arrests and jailing than those who so fear arrests and jail that they stay inside the ignorant flock to thus never encounter personal incentive to question real events related to law.
I am still laughing at that and my jail adventure in a cell with a tough guy accused of murdering the guy he indeed killed, thinking they were intimidating rather than educating me. Idiot feds. They attempted to intimidate a war veteran, with a jail vacation. They still think they are intimidating rather than educating Iraqi freedom fighters. Join the laughter.
I would buy a machine gun for amusement and an art item if I had not already shot a spectrum of them a lot, cannot afford the ammo, and can make a better one from scrap steel, a hacksaw, file and drill.
You can sell machine guns without an FFL, to unpermitted people, and fully inform the BATF thugs ahead of time, and insult them, and not be arrested. Simply learn and teach them the knowledge they want for their own protection from themselves.
Humans. You can print what I have uploaded on this thread, and they will still make contradicted statements to train their mind to remain ignorant rather than ask questions of their contradictions to learn how to resolve them. I did the same thing entirely too long.
I would have already changed the game, but this one is so good the others who learned it before me left it this way. I think the next guys will do the same for at least a hundred years.
Or so I might imagine.
DougBuchanan.com
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:33pm PT
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Are there trump cards in pinochle? I thought it was Bridge.
Whatever,..
Somehow Doug I don't think you gleaned my point, but like Shack we're basically on your side. We just have different methodology values.
If you want to be a martyr to the ideal of freedom without effecting practical benefit I'll try to put flowers on your grave.
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Apr 15, 2008 - 02:17pm PT
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Yoooo Piton and other fellow climbers.....
Being in the same choir, this inordinately useful knowledge comes from a friend.
Trump cards are in several games. But to use the word "prevail" rather than trump conveys more useful information to the mind. Metaphors are useful if plain language is not effecting the data transfer, but metaphors double the data the mind must synthesize so they create their own difficulties.
That may explain why you introduced the martyr metaphor, very common to those who perceive that no knowledge exists beyond what government dolts decree, and therefore anyone who questions government must want to be a martyr.
If the local enforcement officers do not know all the laws, as you acknowledge, what caused you to perceive that the ATF chaps know all the laws, especially after ATF has so openly botched so many of its cases? ATF retains the most ignorant trigger happy sorts who never question unlawful orders.
Martyrs are foolish people who act before they question their actions. I repeatedly suggested that one question their actions, thus be opposite a martyr, and you suggested that I want to be a martyr.
Notice the contradiction your mind created. Might it be doing that routinely in regard to data you are attempting to understand? It is. You train your mind by the words you use, such as the word, martyr.
Wisely learn how to ask effective questions, then ask those precise questions on record, such as in certified mail to government chaps.
You will know your questions are effective when the government refuses to answer.
Only then act.
If the government arrests you for your action, if they are that foolish, you come before court able to prove that you asked, and they criminally evaded their known legal duty to inform you.
They could not answer because your questions identified a citizen right, for which government holds no authority to restrict, enraging the unquestioning minds of government chaps who were trained to perceive that their power is unlimited. Power corrupts.
You will therefore have regained a priceless right, at a thinking-based, inconsequential cost, obviously less than paid by the martyrs on the battlefields.
Notice how many people hastily flock to the martyr strewn battlefields to create raw power for their (Washington DC) leaders, and how few people think enough to learn how to ask effective questions to create citizen rights for their fellow citizens.
Your choice.
Yes, you may be jailed for respectfully asking questions in the US Police State, especially if you are openly holding a tape recorder, but that is good entertainment, an inconsequential price compared to that of the battlefields, and an opportunity to learn how amusingly stupid American police have become by never questioning their superiors.
Use the knowledge, if you wish, for profound advantages.
And have fun doing that.
DougBuchanan.com
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Apr 15, 2008 - 05:05pm PT
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Hate to join this thread so late, especially when a purchasing decision has already been made, but to bring it back on topic...
When I was buying my first AK I found the volume of info out there was overwhelming. Several forums are dedicated to AK's and it's a lot of stuff to sort through. This link is a pretty good FAQ:
http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/faq.html
You'll also find that the quailty of the AK depends quite a bit on WHO built it. There are a lot of gunsmiths around the country that are in the business of building rifles from kits, and the AK47 is one of the most popular builds. The quality and cost of your AK will depend on where the kit was made and who is putting it together. Some kits are crap -- others are of very solid quality. A good gunsmith will be looking for and willing to pay for good kits. A crappy gunsmith will slap together a cheap kit and sell it for a screamin deal of a price, and you tend to get what you pay for. A good AK built by a good gunsmith with a nice kit should cost you between $550 - $700 depending on what options you want to include. Here's a link to some of the manufacturers, but it is by no means all inclusive. I recognize most of the names on this list as reliable AK builders:
http://ak47websites.com/Manufacturer_Links.php
Plus -- a shout out to my homeboy, Derek at AZEX Arms:
http://www.azexarms.com/
I have one of his AKs and it's the best one I own. Beautiful fit, finish, and craftmanship. He's one helluva 'smith. If you can find an AK he built you're guaranteed that it's of high quality, and for the most part he uses Romanian kits.
Anyhow...when are we goin' shootin'?
Ed
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:07pm PT
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Well while you guys were ranting I drilled and tapped my new Choat scope mount on to my sks. finished fitting the draganov stock and zeroed it in. unfourtunatly my best groups wrer with my older ammo and the new batch that i just bought does not seem quite as tight. I am just shooting from a bipod so there is some user error in the picture. I am stoked though that I finally have a solid setup with this gun. It has bugged me forever that the scope mount was so cheesy and now its bomber. Pluss I learned a lot and had fun doing the instalation. It is good that I did the instalation myself instead of haveing a Gunsmith do it. I spent a good deal of time getting the eye reliefe just right for me and my stance. I am suer that the gunsmith would have most likly just followed the instructions.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 22, 2008 - 08:04pm PT
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So on the way to ClimbFest I stopped off at RangeMaster's.
Where they usually have cases of ammo stacked 8' high there was just a smattering of cases.
There was a new guy behind the counter.
"Is Collins here?"
"No, gone for the day" he said.
"Well, I wanted to pick up a little ammo."
"What do you want?"
"I'll take all the Blazer .45auto you have over there."
"But that's 4,000 rounds!"
"Well,... it'll have to do."
"That's over a thousand dollars."
"Hey, give me a moment,... throw in a brick of the Federal 55gr BTHP, and 200 rds of that HSM 10mm."
He tallies it up, $1,391.
"Cash, check or charge?"
"Check." I put my driver's license on the counter with it.
"You got any other ID?"
"Look in your computer at my last three purchases."
After a few seconds his eyes kind of go wide.
"Uh OK, that'll be fine. Let me get you the hand truck."
I guess I better not go into my stop at Doug's on the way back down, but suffice to say they're looking out for Pagan (oops, sorry), and I likely won't be going back there soon either.
I hate liars that think nothing of accusing others of lying.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 22, 2008 - 08:42pm PT
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Osama Bunny prefers the Yugo underfolder.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 30, 2008 - 09:58pm PT
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Started with a Norinco SKS chrome lined barrel. added the Draganov Style stock. drilled and tapped a Choat side mount. No cheesy wiggly reciever cover mount. 20rd Tapco mags seem to work well with 18 rnds. Haven't even tried loading 20 in it. Old habbits.. with the all the extras it's still under $300.00 Of course I did buy the actual rifle manny years ago so I would imagin the start up cost is more these days. 4X scope seems pretty good @100m several 3 shot sub MOA groups even with the hot inconsistant Wolf ammo...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 30, 2008 - 10:06pm PT
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The buisness end. You can see how we drilled and tapped the scope mount from this angle.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2008 - 10:09pm PT
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nice - i was thinking about the dragonov or a side folder on another mini. i like the cheek rest...
thinking about a g19 tomorrow - i have all these bone anchors in my right hand around the thumb and need to keep my recoil low...wonder how the 9 compares to a 1911 for kick...
who wants to load me a shitload of 223 ? ;-)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 30, 2008 - 10:19pm PT
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Picked up another 1000 rds Federal 55gr at Walmart for $.40/rd.
Exactly double what it was a year ago.
Pagan, the stock on your Mini is bitchin. Don't change it. If you want to sink bucks buy a mount and decent 3-9X.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2008 - 10:22pm PT
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which wally had that 223 ? was that downtown ? the one out here didn't have it the other day ron...
and yeah - this would be on a *second* mini...keep one with that stock - the draw and balance is perfect...
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 30, 2008 - 10:24pm PT
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PMB, a 9mm has a lot less recoil than a .45, obviously.....
but, when you factor in the weight of the gun, you have the whole picture.
Polymer guns weigh much less than something like a 1911 or a IMI Eagle, so the felt recoil is more than an all steel gun.
For a 9mm, I'd reccomend an IMI Baby Eagle.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Baby_Eagle_specs.asp
They are imported by Magnum Research but are made by Israeli Military Industries.
They are the AK of handguns as far as reliability,
but are super accurate and have a polygonal barrel.
Wouldn't you agree Ron?
Also PMB, don't buy another Mini, get an AR.
There are way more accessories and options for the AR,
like: you can get 9mm uppers for an AR!!!
Shooting 9mm through an AR is way fun and cheaper than 5.56!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 30, 2008 - 10:28pm PT
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Hey Tradman, are you having any issues with the cases hitting your scope when they eject?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 30, 2008 - 10:46pm PT
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I love all my Baby Eagles, they are CZs on steroids (they even TAKE CZ clips!) but mine all have frame mounted safeties, not those counter instinctive upside down flippers, and now they are impossible to find.
Also, PMB, since recoil is an issue the reverse weight relationship may be oversimplified.
Example; my Baby Eagle recoils a bit more than my Glock 17 with the same ammo even though it weighs more; different lockup, springs etc., but I'd be willing to bet that if I put them on a chrono I'm getting better velocities as well.
Still, neither bucks as hard as my Seecamp or my derringer 410 gauge.
I'm no Mr. Macho having experienced recoil injury, but all things considered, well when it comes to sidearms the others mostly sit on the shelf.
1911 is the way.
finito
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 30, 2008 - 10:50pm PT
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Oh and if you listen to Shack about a 9mm AR, then get a Glock and the Armalite GL
Same mags baby!
As long as your target is soft (no armor) 9mm from a 16.5" barrel is accurate and highly effective.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Apr 30, 2008 - 10:53pm PT
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Which 1911 Ron?
Les Baer?
Wilson Combat?
Kimber?
Lots to choose from.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 30, 2008 - 11:01pm PT
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If cost is no object?
Les Baer Thunder Ranch.
I've put 9400 rds thru it and its just breaking in and very obedient, it eats what I feed it (Hydrashock, Gold Dot Hollow Points, even flying teacups, and ofcourse 230 gr fmc).
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2008 - 11:36pm PT
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the taurus 1911 is rumored to be decent for the price...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Its a chuck-for-the-buck thing.
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