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Hootervillian
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the Hooterville World-Guardian
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Any administration capable of such an operation would not be treasonously incompetent in every single other endeavor they have tried their hand at across the entire span of government.
an incompetent cabal?
not competent enough to engineer an election or two.
not competent enough to install a hierarchy of loyalists.
not competent enough to redefine executive power.
not competent enough to rewrite the concept of basic human rights.
not competent enough to control, reclassify and redact information ultimately through outright intimidation.
and just to incompetent to play a part in the biggest wealth grab any of us have ever seen?
the civilian shill is there for a purpose, has been in my lifetime anyway.
The desperate feeding, needy self-importance, and the pomposity of the conspiracy theorist leaders is deeply embarrassing and cravenly self-serving as far as I'm concerned.
to what end?
what's on the table for those that believe cartel capitalism and systemic cabal power grabs have hijacked any attempt at a viable social construct? (if such a thing is possible).
more often than not, desperate feeding and needy self-importance could be used to describe those that continue to scrape the bottom of the institution for legacy and sustenance after retirement, knowingly at the expense and over the blood of others, whilst hiding behind the provided, and ever convenient, 'completely incompetent civilian leadership' vehicle.
conspiracy?
the word is kinda vague, usually used in context attempting negate valid questions.
but a couple of things that bug me are an official Government report about the death of a bunch of fellow citizens that doesn't include at least notes from previous meetings with national securtiy advisors and the like about just such specific circumstance, as well as any focus at all upon perpetrators of this specific incident.
either side? that about says it all.
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dirtbag
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Hooter that stuff is small potatoes compared to this. The WTC conspiracy would require 100s or 1000s of individuals to kill their own people, then keep their mouths shut. Good luck with that.
We know much more about those incidents than this one: why is that? Why hasn't some guilt-ridden or fortune and fame seeking individual blabbed? Or simply let the secret leak out?
You guys are chasing phantom plots. I hope you don't lose sleep over this.
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Hootervillian
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the Hooterville World-Guardian
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a couple hundred thousand dead iraqi's, 3100+ dead american troops....and counting....it's probably good that you don't think too much about it. you'll sleep better at night.
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Hootervillian
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the Hooterville World-Guardian
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no, not Whatever dude. i've lost a cousin in iraq, my brother is 4 miles from the paki border, his wife is in the 'green' zone.....
all seemingly over some purported migrating threat tale, reminiscent of some challenged adolescent stringing yarns, that apparently isn't subject to much scrutiny from those that pay for it.
getting smart guys like you to participate in genocide.....priceless.
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bachar
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Mammoth Lakes, CA
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monolith
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Albany,CA
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Bush took advantage of 9/11, therefore he orchestrated it. Makes sense to me.
CT'ers like to focus on the rewards for 9/11. But what about the risk part of the risk/reward ratio?
Why would Bush risk execution and complete destruction of conservative values for a century, especially since they had control of the presidency, senate and house, and appointments to the Supreme court?
And of course, the execution of Bush and the destruction of conservative values is what drives many CT'ers.
(BTW, I'm a lib dem, just check my posting history)
Considering the tremendous risks involved, why on earth would it be necessary for the buildings to collapse, requiring many more people to be involved for little or no gain?
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dirtbag
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Hey Hooter you nut go f*#kk yourself. I was opposed to the Iraq War from day one. I voted against Bush the first time, worked on his opponent's campaign the second time. Don't lay that "Genocide" line on me, dickwad. Go find another fish to bite that bait. It's funny, you think evolution is a bunch of hooey, and you buy this baloney?
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Hootervillian
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the Hooterville World-Guardian
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no need to get personal, i pay taxes too.
which baloney?
the fact that we pushed a trillion dollars, a couple thousand sons and daughters, and couple hundred thousand iraqi civilians on three successive lies....
or the fact that 'we' continue to do so....
no i don't believe in conspiracies per se, but i think i have to believe in simultaneous, collective greed, with extreme cowardice, in the name of self-preservation.
evolution/hooey/me?
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Wild Bill
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Ca
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"For the revolution to succeed, sacrifices had to be made.
Before we knew it, everything was gone."
Name that speaker?
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Hootervillian
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the Hooterville World-Guardian
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And of course, the execution of Bush and the destruction of conservative values is what drives many CT'ers.
boy that one deserves a thread of it's own! see, you guys do believe in conspiracy theories. i'll pass on that one though, i don't see the profit in it....
maybe an idea for a third thread- GE and it's runaway liberal mouthpeice threatening conservative values!
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Mao? Gingrich?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Guess the year of this gem: "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous that he cannot believe it exists."
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WBraun
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Well I see no one has figured out anything new.
Mostly because everyone here is so busy fighting and defending each others speculative views.
I think the only way to really find the truth is to torture that worm Dick Cheney.
He knows stuff we don't ........
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healyje
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Portland, Oregon
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"not competent enough to engineer an election or two"
This was solely a result of 15 year grass roots campaign by the religious / social right which incrementally assumed power in enough states to throw the election - it was not "engineered" or orchestrated from "above" other than being an open and explicit goal of the GOP and social conservatives to effectively solidify power in the "red" states.
"not competent enough to install a hierarchy of loyalists."
Every president 'installs a hierarchy of loyalists' - this one installed more incompetent hacks, flacks, and suckups than the nation has ever seen.
"not competent enough to redefine executive power."
They did not redefine executive power, they were just lucky enough to happen to have a rightwing, legal intellectual in the Justice department Office of Legal Counsel who realized he could gin up a quasi-reasonable sounding constitutional basis for all the outlandish, illegal sh#t they were doing and so they let him run with it to provide cover once they realized how clumsy their AG was at providing any semblence of a legal basis for their actions. I have several times pointed out here that John Yoo is by far the single most dangerous man in America today and is the reason all the clueless rubes in the administration thought they could manage the illegalities involved in their actions.
"not competent enough to rewrite the concept of basic human rights."
Again, thank [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo"]John Yoo (by way of Clarence Thomas)[/url]. He was the "brains behind the operation" in all matters of Executive reach and priviledge and has single-handedly turned back the clock on the Presidency a couple of hundred years. John Yoo promotes a very "royalist" view of the Presidency and would have condemned George Washington for refusing the mantle of King.
"not competent enough to control, reclassify and redact information ultimately through outright intimidation."
Again, apropos John Yoo who essentially said, "you're the President, you can do anything you want". That applies to pretty much everything: war powers, signing statements, domestic spying, rendition, gitmo, etc. The only thing he can't and hasn't condoned is lying - which when pressed, even he finds indefensible. He is a traitor for turning a blind eye on how they prosecuted their agenda.
"and just to incompetent to play a part in the biggest wealth grab any of us have ever seen?"
Well, maybe that we've seen, but it still pales in comparison to the robber barons of old. Corporate scandals like Enron, HP, Boeing, Tyco, and AIG were all about a bunch of energy from 80's finally coming home to roost in concert with the rise of an arrogant Right - both corporate CEO's and the GOP share the seminal notion that the end justifies any means; especially when that end is making money. And, the essential lesson they learned from the experiences of their youths in the 80s, wasn't that greed is wrong, it's that you need to learn the nuances of the law better and, if possible, control it.
Little about this Presidency has been top-down and on the whole has been vastly disappointing to the greedy and self-righteos bastards who propelled it to the top. They are all now in agreement that our response to 9/11, while giving that good initial macho feeling, has really ended up a major distraction from their agenda of domestic rape and pillaging.
[ Edit: and "GOP has a private army"? Sure, in the same way Nixon had a private security force at his disposal. Access, command and control, and quality of execution are three different things however - and none of them currently amount to a GOP private army. Fortunately for us, greed has a side-effect of rushing folks to overlook details and that kind of blindness generally renders even the best of men incompetent in short order as has been the case with this administration at every turn and wherever they apply themselves. ]
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Wild Bill
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Ca
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"For the revolution to succeed . . . " was said by an artist, forget the name. I'll find it toninght, with the rest of the text.
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Wild Bill
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Ca
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Dang, Werner - that is the most sensible thing I've heard you say in a while.
you commie liberal America hater.
[insert internet smiley thing here]
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