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https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016
With respect to offenders with known race, 46.3% were white, 26.1% were black.
With respect to racist hate crimes, 50.2% were motivated by anti-black bias, and 20.7% stemmed from anti-white bias.
Between my white self and my black child, I have a hard time choosing one side that doesn’t include us both. But we each have our own challenges.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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By all means, do. Abbreviated version:
Per the writings of our founding fathers:
We citizens are all in this together, part of a society bonded together by the common goal of improving the human condition of all.
Furthermore our founding fathers believed and recognized that each individual's existence is best advanced by caring about everyone else in society. It's the Golden Rule. If you don't give a sh#t about anyone else, then no one is gonna give a sh#t about you.
Our country was formed through an implied social contract with one-another, per the above philosophy. Respect other people and their rights, and our society will protect you from those as#@&%es who won't play by the rules.
This is not limited to law enforcement. This includes everything and anything. Indeed, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Emphasis on safety and happiness, which can include
Affordable healthcare
Safe and secure livelihoods
Safety net (welfare)
Family
Respect for disabled and elderly persons
A roof over our heads
Clean air and water
And per SLR:
If you want to be a selfish bastard, and don't want to participate in our society - our Social Contract - then get the f*#k out of our country.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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There you go again ,wearing your heart on your sleeve.
LOL.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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We are in far more danger from murderous tRump supporting bigots than any refugee caravan. Another cynical distraction from the the hater-in-chief.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2018 - 02:08pm PT
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Trump says up stream here, "We can try to do that by working on other people, but we might have more success by working on ourselves."
That's what I was trying to say here, "I guess we can all point out the hate and anger in others, I'd like to start closer to home and cause a positive ripple effect as we do. Jess sayin'. Oh well, just an idea as nothing else seems to be working very well."
This thread, as are many of the threads here on ST where people address politics, excellent examples of "working on other people."
How many of you have changed your beliefs by what you've read?
We may have more success by working on ourselves, letting the ripple effect of decency, listening to people, sharing thoughts, finding middle ground and not insisting on the de rigueur of the day play out.
NEWS FLASH: Hate posters have been found around our local San Marcos University Campus.
I challenge the Campfire to be part of the solution to neutralizing the hatred around us! Cheers, Lynne
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dirtbag
climber
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I’m all for kindness to your neighbor.
But we simply cannot put blinders on and ignore the hateful policies and rhetoric coming from ONE of our political parties, the Republican Party.
The country needs a thoughtful Conservative party, NOT A WHITE NATIONALIST PARTY. It’s time to pull the plug on the Republican Party.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Nov 1, 2018 - 11:50am PT
Per the writings of our founding fathers:
We citizens are all in this together, part of a society bonded together by the common goal of improving the human condition of all.
Furthermore our founding fathers believed and recognized that each individual's existence is best advanced by caring about everyone else in society. It's the Golden Rule. If you don't give a sh#t about anyone else, then no one is gonna give a sh#t about you.
Our country was formed through an implied social contract with one-another, per the above philosophy. Respect other people and their rights, and our society will protect you from those as#@&%es who won't play by the rules.
This is great. I support all of it. However, it rings hollow coming from someone who is unashamedly hostile to a third of his fellow Americans.
More from SLR:
It never ceases to amaze me how so many right-wing "patriots" are incredibly ignorant of the history of the country that they profess to love and cherish so deeply.
I could try to offer some insight to the ignoramus who made this statement, and direct him to the writings of people like Thomas Jefferson, and the founding principles of our government, but in my experience these right-wingers are too dumb to be educated, or they adamantly cover their eyes and ears when facts are presented to them.
That's how I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that we are dealing with fanatical white supremacists, racists, fascists, Nazis, ignorant fools, and even the anti Christ himself.
Zero tolerance for Trump and his people in my country.
Zero. None. Nada.
No compromise.
Trump people are arrogant, racist, selfish bastards
Trump supporters are selfish bastards.
EdwardT, let me try to explain this to you in terms simple enough for a right-winger to understand.
If the Nazis were trying to take over, we would take whatever actions were necessary to defeat such a vile enemy. People like EdwardT would say the defenders of freedom were stroking the fires of hostility.
Bullsh#t. We are defending our society from right-wing fascists and racists.
Why is there hate?
Poor white racist trash in America are angry about the changing demographics of America. They desire to return to a time of white supremacy. Trump is lending legitimacy to their mild-blowing ignorance and racist hate.
Racist hate has always been present in America. Racism has been openly practiced in the since the first slaves were brought here. The civil rights movement stomped on racism, but it never went away. Poor white racist trash are not the brightest folks to begin with, and now Trump is openly egging them on.
White supremacists have killed more people in America than attacks on American soil, Muslims, and left-wing radicals combined. Trump's white supremacist are the greatest threat to America than all of other enemies combined. They are the real enemies of the state.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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I think you had better examine why it rings hollow to you.
I will give you credit on your math though.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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This thread, as are many of the threads here on ST where people address politics
That's part of the problem, but not the key ingredient. As others have touched on, it is the lack of ability to see things though other peoples lenses. We all have different backgrounds, baggage and beliefs.
Hate comes from anger, which is a byproduct of feeling marginalized. It is both amusing and sad that so many choose to go the political route to point fingers. I'm non political. I hate most politicians equally.
As far as what can be done locally, perhaps be more tolerant of people that have opposing viewpoints and "walk a mile their shoes".
There is a lot of diversity in this country and around the world. I'm a strong believer that the vast majority of the people in the world just want a good life and don't want conflict.
Plain fact of the matter is there is a minority that thrive on hating and creating hate. Can't change human nature.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
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Nita, of course there is hate in politics. There is hate in every level of life.....personal relationships, work, recreation (oh yea) and, yes, in religious institutions....hate, envy and jealously are deadly.
I watched the entire video. I have two wishes. One, that I could discuss this with Steve Schmidt and next, you and I could sit down together and listen to this guy and discuss.
What I don't understand is Why all who are against the current administration and the Republican party are not Doing something to change things. Now is the time. Name calling and rhetoric is not going to really accomplish much. Why are not all those so concerned about what they see Happening do something? Is the Democratic Party taking this time to strengthen their platform, find viable candidates? This is a must! I want to hear about who are in the wings ready to step forward and take leadership.
There are Republicans out there that could be swayed if they were listened to and their concerns were addressed.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Good post Lynnie. I think opposing viewpoints are essential to a healthy society.
Any form of racial, gender or religious based bigotry is not.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Heavy on the 30 weight...and tubs of slaw
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2018 - 06:24pm PT
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Ceviche, beer
some lime and chips
carne and beans
with some great dips
dinner at eight will do jess fine
as long as there's friends
to share the time.
Here's to you Walter, a toast!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2018 - 06:43pm PT
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Ok, enough for the fun, back to hate....just kidding!
Power Crux, I talk to people a lot. I tell them that years ago I stopped listening to the political talk radio shows because after a while it became obvious to me that they had to play people against each other to keep their listeners tuning in. It was not so much about what was right for America it was about dividing people to make the talk show hosts popular.
And after I do that I never consider I've lost.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Negro Modelo to chase the ceviche and pulpo tacos please!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2018 - 07:03pm PT
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del Cross, Moosedrool brought up something I have wanted to.
Me, I cannot, by my own self all the time love, like or tolerate some people, groups and organizations, even some I need to work with on a regular basis. But I can with my best friend jesus.
In my mid 20's I would have physically died if jesus had not become my best friend. I was on a path of destruction. But He has a plan for each of our lives and as my best friend, jesus has helped me through the years be the person I know I was created to be. When I struggled with relationships, He has been my grace giver, showing me how to forgive. He is the one that birthed love in my heart when I wanted to hurt and hate those that hurt me.
Have you ever heard of Corrie ten Boom. She was a Dutch woman living in Holland with her family during WW II. She and her family decided that jesus would want them to help the Jewish people escape the Nazi's and her family did, hiding them in their home. They eventually had a "friend" tell the Nazi's what they were doing and as a result her Father and Sister died in concentration camps. Corrie survived and went on to travel the world until she was 80+ telling people about God's love and how he changed her bitterness into love.
Read her books, "Hiding Place" and "Tramp for the Lord". They are simple, honest and bring life to this sometimes hating world.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Per correct comments made on Xcon's post of a supposed Sinclair Lewis quote up-thread:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair lewis
After a little research on the subject, similar quotes have a fascinating history & were even used by racists against those who tried to end segregation.
What a strange country we live in, when now a similar quote is validly used to call-out the new "hate-mongers" in our beloved America, Trump & his trumpists.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/07/28/flag/
Please don't think the Democrats are going to regain the House of Representatives & other key posts, without "YOU" voting in this election.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
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Fritz, just think if the energy used here against Trump was used to tell everyone about who should be elected and why, it would be time well spent.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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I'm holding off until Bitter old man chimes in...
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