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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Feb 26, 2017 - 10:10am PT
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This is the horse and the hound and the horn
That belonged to the farmer sowing his corn
That kept the rooster that crowed in the morn
That woke the judge all shaven and shorn
That married the man all tattered and torn
That kissed the maiden all forlorn
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.
Many people prefer to buy their head in the sand or up their ass rather then face the fact that our MSM is not only at least 50% fabrication but is a mind and thought control device to insure compliance by the population. To think other wise is a fairy tale, not that there is anything wrong with fairies..
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 26, 2017 - 10:46am PT
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I am partial to SAND...rj
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2017 - 11:31am PT
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The general issue of veracity in news outlets is an important one, but I think there are no simple solutions. Every private owner will have a bias they want to enforce, and government owned sources will reinforce the position of the current administration. Best we can realistically hope for is transparency of ownership so we as citizens can evaluate the source of news when fitting it into a broader jigsaw of information (real or fake) to form our judgments.
I don't see how it can end well if a current government administration is in the position of vetting news sources and picking winners/losers. Fox guarding the hen house.
So fake news sucks, but government selectively blocking access to public news agencies is worse.
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 11:34am PT
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So fake news sucks, but government selectively blocking access to public news agencies is worse.
More fake news...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 26, 2017 - 11:42am PT
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During war the media are not to be trusted anywhere on earth. They most often buy into the war propaganda of their own country.
Mr. Trump is not at war, but behaves like he is.
Well wait, he is at war, he is at war with the media, with the FBI, with his own staff in The white house. And is this because the media, the FBI and The white house staff are pathetic liers?
No, it is because he is trying to use his presidential power to push everybody around him into accepting his lies as facts.
Fake news and MSM are words to be taken as an honourable mention when they come from Mr. Trump's mouth.
Just like the word deplorables is when uttered by Ms. Clinton.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 11:43am PT
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how is fake news not....lying?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 26, 2017 - 11:45am PT
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Ken M, please do not project your own thoughts onto me.
Unlike modern liberals I value freedom and am concerned about establishment of a totalitarian state similar to what already been done by lefties in Russia and China.
Yury, you are filled with delusions that you think that Russia or China are ruled by the left.
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.”
― George Orwell
“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
― George Orwell, 1984
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 11:45am PT
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We have been at war for longer than any period in American history.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 26, 2017 - 11:49am PT
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To Trump all facts that do not support his conclusive lies are seen as fake news. When Trump says fake news, he is most often talking about valid facts that do not support his conclusions. And inbetween, as an exception, the lier Trump is also using fake news about lies. Even the lier Trump can inbetween have a valid point.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
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Rogue POTUS Staff
@RoguePOTUSStaff
*I have so much power just in my voice. I keep saying the word and they'll be bankrupt
POTUS explaining his revenge against news outlets.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 26, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
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Last week, after Spicer became aware that information had leaked out of a planning meeting with about a dozen of his communications staffers, he reconvened the group in his office to express his frustration over the number of private conversations and meetings that were showing up in unflattering news stories, according to sources in the room.
Upon entering Spicer’s office for what one person briefed on the gathering described as “an emergency meeting,” staffers were told to dump their phones on a table for a “phone check," to prove they had nothing to hide.
Spicer, who consulted with White House counsel Don McGahn before calling the meeting, was accompanied by White House lawyers in the room, according to multiple sources.
There, he explicitly warned staffers that using texting apps like Confide — an encrypted and screenshot-protected messaging app that automatically deletes texts after they are sent — and Signal, another encrypted messaging system, was a violation of the Presidential Records Act, according to multiple sources in the room.
The phone checks included whatever electronics staffers were carrying when they were summoned to the unexpected follow-up meeting, including government-issued and personal cellphones.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 12:18pm PT
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You believe the Russian nonsense despite the fact no evidence to support the claims has been provided. What makes trumps claims any different?
I am watching the reporting going on about the Russian stuff, and seeing where it leads. Those who are posting their research and findings are including sources as to where they have gotten the information. They aren't just making accusations about end results, but writing "this is what we are seeing so far, and it looks very much like such and such. I haven't seen anything that said "He's guilty and here's the proof" yet - but yes, I do expect it will be coming. I expect that at some point his lawyer is going to be in a real pickle, and then we'll see. I suppose the president can always promise to pardon him....
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 26, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
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fact that our MSM is not only at least 50% fabrication
a) wrong
but is a mind and thought control device
b) moronic
c) and ironic as f*#k coming from a master fabricator
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 26, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
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Well Marlow, it may be relatively low level war, but we are indeed at war. We have troops on the ground in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 26, 2017 - 01:43pm PT
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I know, Survival. The US is at war on foreign ground as the US usually is and has been for many years. But first and foremost the American president now seems to be at "war" with the media, the FBI and his own staff...
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 26, 2017 - 01:49pm PT
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So, help me out will you?
I keep reading that the Main Stream Media (CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc) is guilty of "fake news"
also that the same above media sources "can't be trusted" to put out the truth
In addition to reading many online news media sources, both biased left and right, I also watch
the news broadcasts from the Main Stream Media.
I do not see strong evidence that lies (fake news) is being put out there by the MSM
do they get some things wrong sometimes, yes and when they do they generally publish corrections
but by and large, and yes very significantly so, the MSM's reporting can easily be fact checked from multiple credible sources for accuracy
so, let me hear exactly what the MSM has "lied" about, lots of examples please
yeah, I know the NY Times bought the Bush lies about WMDs in Iraq, etc, but what has the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post been "lying" about lately?
but let's stay in current time, take say just the last couple of months, what exactly have the
MSM put out there that are clear lies that are in such clear and large quantities that have made you come to the conclusion that the "MSM can't be trusted to tell the truth" etc?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 26, 2017 - 01:53pm PT
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Norton
Who is the "you" in your message?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 26, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
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Norton, I studiously avoid watching any of the news orgs you cited before or after meals.
The only news I can stomach on a regular basis is BBC. The only news I regularly read
is Reuters and The Economist.
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