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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 26, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
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Blue -I'm with you on who the real enemy is -its china and they are well on their way to winning a war that no shots will be fired in. The next war has been underway for 35 years of skirmishing and so far the chinese have the upper hand economically as well as the longer game of controlling the digital grid (hello Huahui).
Good so far...
But like all wars, which with notable exceptions are best avoided, the best bet is to be strong and have shared destinies to the point that it ensures that any so called victory will be so pyrrhic that it would not be considered.
Maybe, that is an unknown right now. The war will not be anything we're used to.
Trump is simply incapable of doing this, none of his businesses have shown even a glimmer (klimmer) of this.
He always wins in the end. How do you come to your conclusions, based solely on losses?
Blue, dump the motherf*#ker, no better keep him so we can get our progressive social and enviro agenda through.
Relax on the 7th circle sh#t -that jibe had nothing to do with your faith, but everything to do with your obtuse view of climate change.
The globalists/socialists are going to die, and they know it. Hence the rhetoric, the tirades against stupid working-class racists.
It's on. The globalists know it too. They're freaking out!
(Neo-cons are globalists too for those not paying attention).
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 26, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
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Trump on the other hand inspires a freak-out but not nearly as bad, he'd f*#k it up so bad it would be back to biz as usual in a few short years.
So as noted before, by all means vote for him -our crew may save your sorry ideological ass yet and ensure meaningful well-paying jobs for you-and your kids.
No. You guys had 8 years to fix it. Not only did it not get better, but things are going horribly in the wrong direction.
The boat needs to be pointed in the other direction. The fiscally conservative direction, even if it hurts a bit in the short-term.
The dorm-room theoretical socialists have failed Europe, Russia, and the United States. Time for some grown-ups who know a thing about running a business, failing, and making it great again.
I know this scares the piss out of many, but Russia, the US, and the UK could become new allies. Mark my words on this too~
Allies for a new, new world order.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 26, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
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uh actually the first two were spent staunching the bleeding of the bush f*#kup and what was the reward -loss of both houses and since then it has been impossible to do anything thanks to you tea bagging knuckle heads.
How long is it going to be Bush's fault? How long does it take for the genius in Chief to work his magic? He had 8 f*#king years!
And blaming the houses of Congress is a fall-back when you can no longer support the presidents idiotic policies. It's them who did it! The republicans made us do it.
And Tea-Baggers? That got us Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz, among others. These are the fiscal conservatives you want create sound budgets. Who kept blocking those? Harry Reid? Remember?
Stop the f*#king lie that Republicans block everything. That is not true. Harry Reid is an authoritarian and blocked a lot of good stuff.
I could see an commercial energy alliance with russia and a manufacturing and services alliance with china -both have and will be untrustworthy but the statees needs both of them albeit for different reasons....
Trump the guy to do the job? That's so wrong it isn't even funny. Don't take if from me, take it from his business peers with the exception crackpots like the home depot owner, to a person note that yes, he has made a small fortune -trouble is he started with a big one.
A lot remains to be seen.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jun 26, 2016 - 03:25pm PT
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Yea, nasty Russia is clearly "agressing"
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 26, 2016 - 03:38pm PT
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The huge wild-card the United States has is Mexico and South America, our brothers to the South.
Moving US electronics manufacturing slowly to Mexico from China will bleed them dry while enriching Mexico's lower and middle classes. Do you know what that means?
It's a 3-fer.
We get less illegal immigration and cross-border crime when Mexico is a somewhat thriving economy. Relations improve.
Mexico gets wealthier in a honest way, livlihoods improve, corruption drops.
Shipping costs/lead-times go way down when stuff doesn't ship across oceans.
After we build the wall, of course. Everybody wins! Except China. But they have been bleeding us for a while now. I have little regard for China's welfare. For now.
The more I think of it, there's no reason why Venezuela can't be the United Arab Emirates of South America in terms of energy resources that result in national wealth. Instead Venezuela is bankrupt and starving because of a corrupt socialist dictator, Chavez, and now his new buddy.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 26, 2016 - 03:59pm PT
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I have total faith in craftsmenship and learn-ability of the under-educated doing manufacturing jobs. They are a very dedicated work-force.
I know it would work. ANd work very well for both sides of the deal. It's a huge NO-BRAINER!!!!
EDIT: Riley, that article is alright. Written by a euro-elitist who sees the writing on the walls. If the EU is to survive it will have to start doing some significant work. Their economies and their defenses, things which don't tend to do well under their models.
They have some work to do if they're to keep the EU together and relevant.
Don't get me started on 6Sigmaa mfg and TUV/CE and all the other bullshit regulations that have tied the hands of innovation. A lot their regulations just go too far.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
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Curt posted:
I can't vouch for the validity of this perspective--but it's interesting
That is an interesting perspective.
According to the article the vote is not binding, BUT, the majority has sent a notice to the powers in London and Brussels.
If GB stays, they have lots of leverage in the EU because the EU needs GB more than GB needs the EU (markets in GB dropped, but not nearly as much as in Germany, France and especially the Southern tier).
Immigration policies in the EU are fueling anti-immigration sentiments all over Northern EU countries.
There's either no shortages of racists in the EU, or something else is driving those sentiments.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
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The anti-immigration sentiment in Europe comes from people, immigrants, coming into a new country and demanding it change to suit them. Oh, and Radical Islamist Terrorists joining them. Europe is tired of it. They want to keep their Countries and their unique cultures and their national security intact. Can you blame them? No.
We face the same problem. America is a melting pot, however, we don't want immigrant terrorists coming into our country either. They already said they would infiltrate the immigrant wave that Obama and Hillary so desperately want.
Do they want to bring Jihad to the USA? I think they do.
Donald Trump does not.
Make America Great Again
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jun 26, 2016 - 07:39pm PT
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The anti-immigration sentiment in Europe comes from people, immigrants, coming into a new country and demanding it change to suit them.
Typically simplistic thinking from Klimmer. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is never the best solution.
Curt
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 26, 2016 - 08:01pm PT
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Those who count the 'votes' decided to leave this grand experiment which consisted of supplementing arbitrary lines on maps with different/dotted lines on maps, none of which really have ever existed on the actual ground. The absurdity of it all is telling.
The only question that matters is how do the vote counters plan to benefit from it.
All of this hand wringing is for naught. The cattle will be fed and slaughtered the same as always. The sun will still rise and set. Perhaps the anxiety is behind meeting their new masters, which are likely the same as their old masters.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 26, 2016 - 08:09pm PT
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Russia is run by an ultra-nationalist Russian patriot. That also makes him a hold-over from our past with Russian communism. If you are incapable of putting aside his past, you're not seeing the whole picture.
Wow! In the past, conservatives would have called him a communist dictator. Look at their tendency to re-name anyone they want to get in bed with.
That's the problem with diehard Conservatives.....no principles, only self interest.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 26, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
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How long is it going to be Bush's fault? How long does it take for the genius in Chief to work his magic? He had 8 f*#king years!
It will ALWAYS be Bush's fault, just like it will ALWAYS be his fault that we ended up in Iraq.
Just because Obama has largely fixed these mistakes, doesn't mean the mistakes never happened. Thats the other problem with diehard conservatives: they'll rewrite history whenever it's convenient to do so.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 26, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
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a corrupt socialist dictator, Chavez,
See, not so convenient, so you label him differently than Putin
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jun 26, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
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Those of you babbling along, having not been to Europe, especially Germany, recently are simply blowing smoke. I spent 2 months in Germany and Northern Italy over the past few years...and what the Germans were doing was acting scared of the Muslim gangs , Common , everyday working classes are unable to defend themselves--absolute gun control. The Muslims are content to arm themselves with knives or act in packs like wolves. I used to love the city of Munich, but it's a scary place, now. As it is here, there aren't enough cops around when you need one.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jun 26, 2016 - 09:09pm PT
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I know an older German couple who visited the father land and said they would never go back because of the Muslim presence...
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kattz
climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
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Europe has the last chance to wake up and stop the invaders.
All "refugees" -- they're not such, they're migrants -- should be shipped back.
Army should be involved now, getting rid of them.
If Europe does not wake up now, we will see, within next 20-30 years, very bloody civil war and complete meltdown, inside European borders.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 26, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
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Bluering, do you have a college education?
The U.S. Would not have any kind of terrorists threat if it had stayed out of the ME.
Supporting Israel since 1948 was a bad idea.
Supporting corrupt Arab dictators was a bad thing.
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kattz
climber
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Jun 26, 2016 - 09:55pm PT
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Merkel and her foreign sperm-importing antics will be the one Europe will have to thank for future Hitler type of leader who will lead Europeans once they realize their boat had about sailed -- it seems like history does not teach lessons to some people.
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