Disturbing events you've been witness to?

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Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2012 - 07:34pm PT

Identification
Diagnosis
Action
Catharsis/healing

Sometimes the healing takes years, it's never too early to start

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Mar 21, 2012 - 08:42pm PT

I tried writing something else but it is still too much after 35 years. I can
go months sometimes but then I'll have that vision of her breathlessly running
down the walkway in front of their house as I walked up. I was just back from
my expedition and she was about to joyously welcome me back until she saw
my face. I never said a word.

splitter

Trad climber

Hodad surfing the galactic plane

Mar 21, 2012 - 09:06pm PT

Thanks, Karl!

Sioux Juan

Big Wall climber

Costa mesa

Mar 22, 2012 - 05:57pm PT

I'm not gonna read this whole thing,but has anyone mentioned James L. 's repel off intersection.... .we where there to witness that !

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2012 - 08:20pm PT

Yow! You saw that? Did you take
Pictures? Ever talk to James about it?

edejom

Boulder climber

Butte, America

Mar 23, 2012 - 10:02am PT

Me and another SAR member dug out a Son (12) and his Father killed in a New Year's Eve mountaineering avalanche incident a few years ago...

...disturbing enough

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2012 - 01:22pm PT

The other carry out I referred to, disturbing because it was avoidable happened in Little Cottonwood Canyon in the mid eighties.
With the memory of the cookie carry out fresh in my noggin, I arrived at the Gate boulders parking in Little cottonwood, to a flurry of police and sar vehicles.Right after I parked they closed the highway and a helicopter landed. I heard a cop tell the pilot that the victim was deceased, and it took off.

"Victim?" I thought.

It turned out that a guy had grounded on the route Beckey's wall. He was maybe thirty feet up leading when his single wired nut rattled out. His belayer brought this to his attention and he panicked, going from calm but apprehensive to...worse. He ended up falling, sliding down the low angle dihedral, bouncing on his feet and arcing over backwards and impacting the back of his Neck ( he was, wearing ahelmet!) on a protruding rock and like the other guy, fracturing his atlas/axix connection and bleeding out.

It started to rain, and my job became that of spotting cowboy boot shod Sar personnel carrying the litter down the little cottonwood granite that is slick even when it's dry I was sure there would be a further accident!

The importance of a calm, lead-head can't be over emphasized! But,also again, know who you tie in with, anticpate whether news like that will help or fluster.
Edit for below Har Har, I believe I was wearing lava domes....

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Mar 23, 2012 - 01:45pm PT

Wait a minute...Jaybro in cowboy boots?

That WOULD be a disturbing event!

drljefe

climber

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Mar 23, 2012 - 03:25pm PT

After a Dead show at the Kaiser my buddy and I were wandering around lost trying to contain a broken 12 pack and find our hotel.
We knew we were in a bad neighborhood...not a creature was stirring...
Then a lady runs out of her apartment building to use the pay phone out front.
We decide to approach her and ask where the fûck we are and how to get to our hotel.
"Excuse me, ma'am..."

She turns around holding her belly and a bunch of bloody intestines.
Just imagine that..."enhanced". CRAZY!
Disturbing for sure.

We ran like hell, beer cans spilling out everywhere.
My buddy kept trying to pick them up.
I kept running.

the kid

Trad climber

fayetteville, wv

Mar 23, 2012 - 05:56pm PT

rangers taking my drill and Greg's film.
not a good day.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Mar 23, 2012 - 06:27pm PT

They took Epperson's film in that ordeal? WTF? Never heard that part of it before. From the photo spread that ended up in the mag, I assume he got it back?

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2012 - 06:29pm PT

Wasn't it more disturbing to have the ranger befriend you first as a fellow climber and then turn on you?

Todd Gordon

Trad climber

Joshua Tree, Cal

Mar 24, 2012 - 03:34am PT

tucker's feet...

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2012 - 03:57pm PT

Guess he showed them!

Hoh man Sioux Juan, good thing you'd guys were all there! I know I tend to solo when no one is around.

laughingman

Mountain climber

Seattle WA

Mar 25, 2012 - 04:08pm PT

"alarma" a mexican "gore" magazine..... It is like a tabloid of death....
Watch the documentary at your own risk.....

Basically it catalogs various drug related deaths in mexico....

http://www.vice.com/vice-news/alarma-1-of-3

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Mar 25, 2012 - 04:26pm PT

The hack job the cat drivers at Tamarack are doing on the nordic trails...Sucks big time...RJ

wstmrnclmr

Trad climber

Bolinas, CA

Mar 25, 2012 - 04:47pm PT

So Jaybro, to go back to your original question of what to do in that situation....now that you've had what reads to be a lot of great input, what would you do now? Maybe I missed it but I haven't read what you'd do. For me (and most of us have seen abusive/dangerous situations of all kinds on the rock), I step in if it looks like some sort of physical harm is about to take place. I've reacted and become involved if I saw something about to happen whether it be a relationship dispute or an accident waiting to happen. Most victims I've talked to would have liked to have had someone step in (although cop friends have told me, and maybe Fatrad can verify that domestic disputes are the most dangerous situations).
There's been more then a few times where I got involved if I saw someone about to get hurt or helped after someone was hurt. But it's a tough call if it doesn't look like physical danger is present to step into the fray. Would you do anything different? Great topic

Tony

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2012 - 06:04pm PT

What would I do differently? I'll save that for another post, i've learned a lot more since this incident, and a lot of things would be different now.

Well I could write about what I did do (and am still doing) in that situation. But that's really secondary, (and there are some ongoing confidentiality concerns) the point was more to show an example of something that a lot (almost all) of us have seen and been involved with all too often, but never talk about.

And Start a dialog about it.
Getting different voices, and providing resources for people who are abused in this, or any, manner, is a key issue.

What is the motivation for being abusive like the person in the op?
-What can they possible get out of it? A photo of themselves? a feeling of bringing someone else down to their own level?

a Mysoginistic Stoke?

Would further examples help? We're just hitting the tip of the Pluton, here.

Another point of all this, was to mention other disturbing things, as a catharsis.
Like I said somewhere in this, the most disturbing thing is being witness to disasters of various kinds that are preventable. I think it's useful to have thought about this before the next potentially preventable situation presents itself.

The various people who have mentioned the danger of entering into a domestic dispute make a very good point, it can be hazardous to enter into. But sometimes there is something you can do, and thinking about it beforehand can only help.