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Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Mar 16, 2012 - 10:48am PT

when one surrenders his ability
to think for himself,
he then defaults to echoing
ancient errors.

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Mar 16, 2012 - 11:31am PT

bogi,
your resistance to wisdom is admirable.
your persistent commitment to ignorance is questionable,
buy hey,
live on man! as you see accurate.
just please don't go shoutin down my rabbit hole.

Truthdweller

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Mar 16, 2012 - 12:16pm PT

That's the saddest, most profound aspect of it all, Norwegian (jstan, et al), for a mind such as yours, to be blinded to Wisdom as well as being corrupted by your own wisdom. Wake up bro, for when you humble yourself and let true Wisdom establish your mind, will and emotions, you will understand above all that you can ever think and imagine! Then, and only then (that's a decision) will you finally "understand," as opposed to "misunderstanding" everyone else, or more simply put, making a fool of yourself. I don't say that to be hurtful but, really, am seeing myself, when the "wisdom" out there in the world used to fill my senses.

"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him RETURN (for we were once sinless) unto the Lord, and he will have mercy on him; and to our God for He will abundantly pardon." - Isaiah 55:7

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Mar 16, 2012 - 12:48pm PT

So, if all you bible quoters have some time to spare, how about commenting on the old (circa 1999 or 2000) "Letter to Dr. Laura."

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Mar 16, 2012 - 12:57pm PT

Ghost, that letter is still priceless!

Now get over here to receive your lashes you dirty blaspheeeemer!

Truthdweller

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Mar 16, 2012 - 02:46pm PT

Coz,

I'm just enjoying posting to threads just as you are. The joy and peace I receive from responding was unimaginable, literally, I COULDN'T imagine, before I became a member of Reformers Unanimous International and started studying the Word of God. That being said, and hearing responses such as yours, "cramming it down others throats" just humbles me, and further strengthens the Truth. That response right there probably baffles you as to why I would respond that way, but it's the Truth, and the Truth made me free (John 8:31-32). There is nothing BUT evidence to support the Word of God and if you're willing to lend an ear it's available.

I'm attending the last night of a conference entitled, "Encourage the Discouraged" tonight and I can't wait to have my world rocked, again, on another Friday night instead of where I used to spend them.

luggi

Trad climber

from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:03pm PT

The bible as well as scientists have independent validation of the work. What validates the bible is archeology and non biblical writings the supporting what the bible said occurred. Weather one believes the documentation is a different situation.

I am not a scientist..however has anyone proved the "big bang"...the super collider that is being built have they proved anything and does it actually work or is it a theory with no written proof. Has science proven there is no God as written about in books, scrolls walls. People that believe in God aren't afraid of science...it seems people that believe only in science are afraid of God. I pose a question or something to ponder...it seems easier for people to believe only in something that is tangible..and if that is the case do scientists/people that believe only in science believe in luck, chance, karma and so on and can science prove any of that. I think it is more difficult to have a faith and believe we have a true purpose in our lives other then it was by a freak collision that started life started and we as a people still managed to survive by luck and no sense of purpose.

WBraun

climber

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:10pm PT

Modern science is nihilistic due to not understanding the science of the soul.

Watch anyone when they say "ME" they point to the heart or chest.

Never to their head.

The spirit soul (individual) is seated within the heart.

When someone makes mistake they generally point to their head or bang their head, etc etc.

Youngun -- "Religion generally relies on making theories ..."

Stupid statement and making up sh!t again .......

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:14pm PT

TD,

Using your own words, what makes you believe that your God and your book(s) are the only "right" path? Were you brought up to believe these things from an early age? I'm fascinated by people who absolutely believe in their one version of God as well as those who absolutely believe there is no God at all.

I have had long talks with folks who have knocked at my door offering me salvation through their God's graces. I believe I frustrate them however and they rarely return. That's not my intent.

jstan

climber

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:28pm PT

Luggi:
In your post you use the word "proof" repeatedly. The idea of "proof" in an absolute, permanent, and inviolable sense is a fiction. A fiction that only misleads us.

In high school you studied Euclid's plane geometry in which theorems were proven. Euclid was a genius and he knew that were one of his starting axioms not correct in some particular place, his proof was not correct - in that particular place. Euclid gave us a process we could use to move more logically based upon our observations. That is what science also does.

An absolute truth has not yet been found.

Edit:

Werner:
Which meaning of the word "soul" would you like to have science work on?

By the way, none of the definitions below possess observables allowing quantification.

1soul noun \ˈsōl\

Definition of SOUL

1
: the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life
2
a : the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all rational and spiritual beings, or the universe
b capitalized Christian Science : god 1b
3
: a person's total self
4
a : an active or essential part
b : a moving spirit : leader
5
a : the moral and emotional nature of human beings
b : the quality that arouses emotion and sentiment
c : spiritual or moral force : fervor
6
: person <not a soul in sight>
7
: personification <she is the soul of integrity>
8
a : a strong positive feeling (as of intense sensitivity and emotional fervor) conveyed especially by black American performers
b : negritude
c : soul music
d : soul food
e : soul brother
See soul defined for English-language learners »
See soul defined for kids »

BDoog

Big Wall climber

SoCal

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2012 - 03:28pm PT

Interactive universe

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:28pm PT

Fear

Thanks for sharing.

I have had short talks with people coming to my door to convince me there is a god and that I should believe in him or end up in hell. I ask them how they know there is a god and they always end up telling me it's written in the book. I ask them which book and they say the bible. I then tell them there is a book where it is written that god is dead, the author being Nietzsche. Then they soon leave.

When someone near and dear to me is in trouble there are times when I fold my hands and pray to God.

Truthdweller

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:34pm PT

Toadgas,

From a humanistic point of view I agree with your statement...but from a spiritual standpoint, it means nothing (vanity). I made the decision to believe in God (God is spirit), therefore, the battle isn't carnal, but spiritual, and it's not about me, but about Him, God, God gets the glory, for science, scientists, medical progress, E=mc2, suffering, etc. And with that I'm also finding out that we've been lied to, with all our wonderful "stinkin' thinkin'!"

MAN, God is good!

luggi

Trad climber

from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:40pm PT

Jstan...got it thanks....

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Mar 16, 2012 - 03:40pm PT

TD

If you go to the "Encourage the Discouraged" show tonight and one of the encouraged tells you to fight the devil growing in the east and that dying for your country fighting this devil will bring you to heaven - be sure to discourage the encouraged.

By the way: GOD is not great.